Tired of the Big LIE
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where did you get that idea from??? this is my comment ...which is two questions none of which you addressed...
so if one dies in disobedience is he still saved???? then all are saved... why obey when we will be saved in disobedience...did Christ save you from sin to live in sin so that you can be saved in sin????
everything else is scripture...
Ephesians 5:5-7King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
care to tell me how you arrived at this...???
so if one dies in disobedience is he still saved???? then all are saved... why obey when we will be saved in disobedience...did Christ save you from sin to live in sin so that you can be saved in sin????
everything else is scripture...
Ephesians 5:5-7King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
care to tell me how you arrived at this...???
F
Christ died to pay for all of the sins of those that God gave him and none of them will be lost John 6:39. All of the ones that he died for will not be excluded from heaven for a sin that has not been repented of because Christ's death has covered ALL sins. Even though Christ has paid for our sins, we still do sin every now and then and those sins will separate us from our fellowship with God until we repent and God forgives us of that sin, which is a timely salvation (deliverance), which never did separate us from our eternal salvation, it just separated us from a fellowship with God and that is why it is important to repent.
F
The kingdom of Christ, or God, is not referring to the kingdom that is in heaven, but it is referring to Jesus's kingdom here in this world, which is his church that he set up and he is the King, or husband of the church and we are his bride. The scriptures refers to his church as being called by several different names, such as, The church of Christ, The church of God, the kingdom of God, the new Jerusalem, the church of the first born, the little flock, the few, etc.
according to 1John 3:7 you are calling God filthy rags...
1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
13 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
when you are out of fellowship with God who are you in fellowship with????
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
when you are out of fellowship with God who are you in fellowship with????
you still have not addressed the questions...and he is referring to Christ heavenly kingdom ....since it is our inheritance he is speaking about...
but
if you are not part of his kingdom here on earth I don't see how you can be a part of anything else He has to offer...
so....care to comment on this...
so if one dies in disobedience is he still saved???? then all are saved... why obey when we will be saved in disobedience...did Christ save you from sin to live in sin so that you can be saved in sin????
but
if you are not part of his kingdom here on earth I don't see how you can be a part of anything else He has to offer...
so....care to comment on this...
so if one dies in disobedience is he still saved???? then all are saved... why obey when we will be saved in disobedience...did Christ save you from sin to live in sin so that you can be saved in sin????
T
This is quite correct, because the Father gave him shoes, which signify he was a member of the household and not a slave, he gave him a new robe that marked him as of the family heritage and finally he was given a ring, which meant he had authority of the family and to make decisions and approve things...it was signet ring. However, this son did not receive ALL has his brother did....
We also need to understand that the Brother received ALL that his father had, because he did not waste his inheritance....That part of the lesson is most of the times,if not always overlooked and instead many try to paint the brother as ungrateful and arrogant....yet he was always about his Fathers business....the lesson of the Brother to the believer is that we should never, ever get unhappy when someone returns tot he faith, but rejoice with the Father, because we have always been about the Fathers business and we will receive ALL.
We also need to understand that the Brother received ALL that his father had, because he did not waste his inheritance....That part of the lesson is most of the times,if not always overlooked and instead many try to paint the brother as ungrateful and arrogant....yet he was always about his Fathers business....the lesson of the Brother to the believer is that we should never, ever get unhappy when someone returns tot he faith, but rejoice with the Father, because we have always been about the Fathers business and we will receive ALL.
F
Let me ask you this question. According to John 6:39, did Jesus die for all mankind or just for those that his Father gave him? Will all that he died for live in heaven with him, without the loss of even one? Even though we have been saved eternally we still do sin (After Jesus's death on the cross no sin will keep us out of heaven). We repent when we have separated ourselves from fellowship with him, but when we repent and he forgives us we are saved (delivered) from the guilt of the sin and have fellowship with God again.
F
As I have told many on this forum, all salvation scriptures are not referring to eternal salvation, in fact, most of them are referring to salvations (deliverances) we receive here in this life. Eternal salvation is not by the works of man, but timely salvations are obtained by our good works. If you do not separate the two the scriptures will never harmonize. All of those that Jesus died for, their sins have been paid for and no sin will keep them out of heaven because they are paid for, however those that have been saved eternally do still sin and when they do it separates them from their fellowship with God until they repent and he forgives them which is a timely salvation from the guilt of that sin and brings them back in fellowship with God. When an eternally saved person is out of fellowship with God, they do not lose their eternal salvation., even if they fail to repent of it. otherwise Christ would have died in vain.
F
To perish does not mean to lose your eternal salvation. It does mean to lose your relationship with your God. There is a difference between the two, While you are outside of your relationship with God, you are in relationship with satan until you repent, but even though you are in relationship with satan you have not lost your eternal salvation.
