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I actually tend to agree with this.... which is why it is doubly important to make sure the church you align yourself with is shepherded by Godly, prayerful men..... not one single minded "pastor" whose main job is to collect enough money to make a living.
If you are a member of such a church, when you give God's money back to Him, the elders/shepherds/overseers are held accountable by God for their financial decisions. Most churches like that do, however, usually involve the approval of the congregation for the budget they come up with.
If you are a member of such a church, when you give God's money back to Him, the elders/shepherds/overseers are held accountable by God for their financial decisions. Most churches like that do, however, usually involve the approval of the congregation for the budget they come up with.
The 'Church' in question did not publish a detailed account of annual expenditure, nor did they publish an annual budget for members to see.
Following my experience I have come to the conclusion that organisations like this are not Churches, but businesses.
They don't have members, they instead have customers.
Following my experience I have come to the conclusion that organisations like this are not Churches, but businesses.
They don't have members, they instead have customers.
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Yes... all of those "seed faith" or "prosperity gospel" folks are cut from the same cloth.. instead of "guilting" member into giving, they appeal to the member's greed, and tie it to their level of faith in God.... "if you just give enough, God will make you prosper" "God WANTS you to be wealthy", etc.... ad nauseum. I believe that is actually much worse than trying to guilt members into giving.
1 Corinthians 9:7 tells us... "7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. "
1 Corinthians 9:7 tells us... "7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. "
God demands to be “FIRST” in every area of your life (Matthew 6:33). He does not want your leftovers. As He said, “I Am a great King, give those leftovers to your Governor.” Mal. 1:8
Jesus tells us we must render to Caesar what belongs to him, and God what is His (Matthew 22:21). Jesus says, "If therefore you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches (Luke 16:11 NKJV)?
Christians are tested with the least in the Kingdom of God which is money.
Considering what Jesus has said here (Luke 16:9-13 NKJV), I think it would be difficult to overstate the significance of this down to earth, practical teaching, that applies to everyone. If a person cannot be trusted with money, and in any capacity, Jesus plainly says, he cannot be trusted with Salvation, i.e., "true riches." In view of the seriousness of what is being said, we would do well to heed carefully.
In these passages (Luke 16:9-13), Jesus is saying that irrespective of how loudly and how often we profess our Godliness, if it does not show up in our practical, every day living, and especially in the matters of money, and our responsibility toward others, our profession is vain. This statement is plain and clear, if we are unfaithful in these things. "Who will commit to our trust the true riches?"
Can a Christian Be cursed because of not tithing?
Does Christ rebuke the devourer if the Believer doesn't tithe?
Can a Christian test God in the New Testament? If so how?
Can a Christian live in the open windows of Heaven if they don't tithe?
Should I tithe, or pay my bills?
Please post your scripture to support your statement.
Jesus tells us we must render to Caesar what belongs to him, and God what is His (Matthew 22:21). Jesus says, "If therefore you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches (Luke 16:11 NKJV)?
Christians are tested with the least in the Kingdom of God which is money.
Considering what Jesus has said here (Luke 16:9-13 NKJV), I think it would be difficult to overstate the significance of this down to earth, practical teaching, that applies to everyone. If a person cannot be trusted with money, and in any capacity, Jesus plainly says, he cannot be trusted with Salvation, i.e., "true riches." In view of the seriousness of what is being said, we would do well to heed carefully.
In these passages (Luke 16:9-13), Jesus is saying that irrespective of how loudly and how often we profess our Godliness, if it does not show up in our practical, every day living, and especially in the matters of money, and our responsibility toward others, our profession is vain. This statement is plain and clear, if we are unfaithful in these things. "Who will commit to our trust the true riches?"
Can a Christian Be cursed because of not tithing?
Does Christ rebuke the devourer if the Believer doesn't tithe?
Can a Christian test God in the New Testament? If so how?
Can a Christian live in the open windows of Heaven if they don't tithe?
Should I tithe, or pay my bills?
Please post your scripture to support your statement.
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I think I can somewhat understand the op issue with tithing. I mean if you think about it plenty of people have started churches knowing that they are tax exempt And if you sell key word there sell a popular belief system that makes people give lots of tithing they can just rake in the money that way.
And as for whether or not it's for salvation if money is what saved us then I being the poor person I am must be going to hell and bill gates to heaven
And as for whether or not it's for salvation if money is what saved us then I being the poor person I am must be going to hell and bill gates to heaven
I have already told you the answer is a clear no. However, if you examine the 4 gospels, the best teaching about money from Jesus came from the parable of the unjust steward.
As quoted by Message of the Cross,
9 “And I say to you, make friends for yourselves by unrighteous [d]mammon, that when [e]you fail, they may receive you into an everlasting home. 10 He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much. 11 Therefore if you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches? 12 And if you have not been faithful in what is another man’s, who will give you what is your own?
13 “No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.”
Vs 11 is the lesson that you could meditate on.
Do you believe that all your money belongs to God, and you are just a steward of that money?
Do you believe that God is trying to test whether you are faithful in managing his money?
Do you believe that, if you can show to God you are indeed faithful in managing his money, he will bless you with true riches, and riches of your own?
Once you are clear about those questions, the answer to your point about tithing will come naturally.
As quoted by Message of the Cross,
9 “And I say to you, make friends for yourselves by unrighteous [d]mammon, that when [e]you fail, they may receive you into an everlasting home. 10 He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much. 11 Therefore if you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches? 12 And if you have not been faithful in what is another man’s, who will give you what is your own?
13 “No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.”
Vs 11 is the lesson that you could meditate on.
Do you believe that all your money belongs to God, and you are just a steward of that money?
Do you believe that God is trying to test whether you are faithful in managing his money?
Do you believe that, if you can show to God you are indeed faithful in managing his money, he will bless you with true riches, and riches of your own?
Once you are clear about those questions, the answer to your point about tithing will come naturally.
I would like to cite Hebrews 11:6 "And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him."
So tithing much but having not the true faith means nothing to God.
I would contend if you have assurance of your salvation and confidence that the Holy Spirit dwells within you, then petition Him. Ask Him and seek him time and time again to make this answer known for you. Also ask him to lead you to a true church and away from a false church. This is even more important.
For it is infinitely better to give little to a true church, than to give MUCH to a false church.
So tithing much but having not the true faith means nothing to God.
I would contend if you have assurance of your salvation and confidence that the Holy Spirit dwells within you, then petition Him. Ask Him and seek him time and time again to make this answer known for you. Also ask him to lead you to a true church and away from a false church. This is even more important.
For it is infinitely better to give little to a true church, than to give MUCH to a false church.
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it is not entirely true because Jesus did indirectly command us to give a tithe or 10% of our resources in Matt 23:23
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
I prefer using the most original version, the Aramaic:
ܘܝ ܠܟܘܢ ܣܦܪܐ ܘܦܪܝܫܐ ܢܣܒܝ ܒܐܦܐ ܕܡܥܣܪܝܢ ܐܢܬܘܢ ܢܢܥܐ ܘܫܒܬܐ ܘܟܡܘܢܐ ܘܫܒܩܬܘܢ ܝܩܝܪܬܗ ܕܢܡܘܣܐ ܕܝܢܐ ܘܚܢܢܐ ܘܗܝܡܢܘܬܐ ܗܠܝܢ ܕܝܢ ܘܠܐ ܗܘܐ ܕܬܥܒܕܘܢ ܘܗܠܝܢ ܠܐ ܬܫܒܩܘܢ
23 Woe unto you, Saphre {Scribes} and Phrishe {Pharisees}, Nasbay Baphe {Hypocrites}! Because you tithe nan {mint}, and shabetha {dill}, and kamuna {cumin}, and you forget the more important things of The Namusa {The Law}: Diyna {Judgment}, and Khanana {Mercy}, and Haymanutha {Faith}. Now, these things were proper that you should have done them, and these things you shouldn’t have forgotten.
Notice what Eshu (Jesus/Yeshua) is saying here. Because you tithe nan {mint}, and shabetha {dill}, and kamuna {cumin}, and you forget the more important things of The Namusa {The Law}:
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He is saying tithing is part of the LAW.
We are not nor have ever been under the LAW!
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