To comfort those who speak in tongues
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BINGO! From the mouth of babes! I think this tells us all we need to know about your theology... it's powerless.
Matthew 19:26 - Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
Pretty much confirms - by your own confession - that you are not serving the True God.
Matthew 19:26 - Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
Pretty much confirms - by your own confession - that you are not serving the True God.
OK, another case study, then I gotta get back to work:
My friend Vicki is spiritually very strong and sensitive, even more than she knows. I knew from what she is involved with (heavily into Kabala) that the ‘darkies’ (I don’t like the word demons because there’s so much misinformation and mis-guided thought about them) were present around her. The first time I went to visit her they kept their distance while we chatted. But the moment I stepped out her door, two of them escorted me down the hall, down the stairs, into the street to my car, and watched me drive away. Plain as day, they don't even try to hide from me anymore because they know God's made me wise to them.
When I prayed for her (and I mostly pray in the Spirit), I often got this visual impression where it's night time, and I'm elevated like up in a tree to where I can see across the rooftops. Off a mile or so is her apartment building. Buildings usually give off some ambient light, but the light from her building was much brighter than the surroundings. Bright enough that it shines up upon the bottom of what at first looks to be some very dark tumultuous clouds. But looking closer, I can see it is instead a thick black swirling cloud of dark spirits. They're like a ginormous nasty swarm of mosquitoes, just looking for way in to draw blood, being held back solely by the light.
So one night I'm praying for her, and it’s concerted prayer; the swarm is thick and heavy and really agitated - pressing in to the point where they were smothering out the light. I got a sense of real urgency, that something really bad was happening. So in the Name of Jesus I travailed in prayer to bind and silence and swat at a few of them. But I was just one man against a swarm, definitely outnumbered. So I commanded angels to fight and occupy the enemy; and I saw angels start charging into the darkness. And then I command more of them to move in and get her out and to a place of safety. And I see more of them rush off into the scene. And so that is how I fight, in the Spirit of God claiming the Authority of Christ to bind and silence the darkies; and commanding the angelic host to go and do battle and occupy the them while others get in and get her out. And I'm watching this happen in my vision; I don't ever see her, but I see the heavenly forces rushing off to do battle against the swarm.
So the next day I'm talking to her, and before I can say anything she starts telling me about how she has always had trouble dealing with certain critical issues. They had been recently piling up and squeezing her to the point where she was starting to come apart and have a panic attack over how she was going to deal with them. She confessed that she’d dealt with it before by cutting herself (including her wrists) and that last night she was ready to do it again. Then she said, 'it was so weird, because all of a sudden this voice started telling me to get out, get out, leave, and something grabbed me by the arms and dragged me out of the apartment and down to my car.' She ended up on a bench at the beach where a Bible she found and people she encountered helped her find peace with the issue.
OK, here we have, again as the result of praying in the spirit, a revelation and gift of knowledge (mysteries I would have had no other knowledge of), and arising out of that a miraculous intercession that not only stopped a demonic attack but then led someone to the Word and people of God.
Pretty heady stuff for something that supposedly doesn't work any more.
OR PERHAPS IT'S satan WHO SAYS IT DOESN'T WORK, BECAUSE IT TENDS TO WORK AGAINST HIM.
???
My friend Vicki is spiritually very strong and sensitive, even more than she knows. I knew from what she is involved with (heavily into Kabala) that the ‘darkies’ (I don’t like the word demons because there’s so much misinformation and mis-guided thought about them) were present around her. The first time I went to visit her they kept their distance while we chatted. But the moment I stepped out her door, two of them escorted me down the hall, down the stairs, into the street to my car, and watched me drive away. Plain as day, they don't even try to hide from me anymore because they know God's made me wise to them.
When I prayed for her (and I mostly pray in the Spirit), I often got this visual impression where it's night time, and I'm elevated like up in a tree to where I can see across the rooftops. Off a mile or so is her apartment building. Buildings usually give off some ambient light, but the light from her building was much brighter than the surroundings. Bright enough that it shines up upon the bottom of what at first looks to be some very dark tumultuous clouds. But looking closer, I can see it is instead a thick black swirling cloud of dark spirits. They're like a ginormous nasty swarm of mosquitoes, just looking for way in to draw blood, being held back solely by the light.
So one night I'm praying for her, and it’s concerted prayer; the swarm is thick and heavy and really agitated - pressing in to the point where they were smothering out the light. I got a sense of real urgency, that something really bad was happening. So in the Name of Jesus I travailed in prayer to bind and silence and swat at a few of them. But I was just one man against a swarm, definitely outnumbered. So I commanded angels to fight and occupy the enemy; and I saw angels start charging into the darkness. And then I command more of them to move in and get her out and to a place of safety. And I see more of them rush off into the scene. And so that is how I fight, in the Spirit of God claiming the Authority of Christ to bind and silence the darkies; and commanding the angelic host to go and do battle and occupy the them while others get in and get her out. And I'm watching this happen in my vision; I don't ever see her, but I see the heavenly forces rushing off to do battle against the swarm.
So the next day I'm talking to her, and before I can say anything she starts telling me about how she has always had trouble dealing with certain critical issues. They had been recently piling up and squeezing her to the point where she was starting to come apart and have a panic attack over how she was going to deal with them. She confessed that she’d dealt with it before by cutting herself (including her wrists) and that last night she was ready to do it again. Then she said, 'it was so weird, because all of a sudden this voice started telling me to get out, get out, leave, and something grabbed me by the arms and dragged me out of the apartment and down to my car.' She ended up on a bench at the beach where a Bible she found and people she encountered helped her find peace with the issue.
OK, here we have, again as the result of praying in the spirit, a revelation and gift of knowledge (mysteries I would have had no other knowledge of), and arising out of that a miraculous intercession that not only stopped a demonic attack but then led someone to the Word and people of God.
Pretty heady stuff for something that supposedly doesn't work any more.
OR PERHAPS IT'S satan WHO SAYS IT DOESN'T WORK, BECAUSE IT TENDS TO WORK AGAINST HIM.
???
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No, thank you!
And lest anyone take from this that I am boasting, the only part I had in this was to HAVE FAITH AND PARTICIPATE AS GOD INSTRUCTED. The whole point is not to show what I have done, but to show those without faith what they are missing out on... which is to see the true Word of God in action to bring help and healing to a sick and injured world!!!
Roger! Gr8grace! Vigilant Warrior! The Lord so wishes to break down the wall that you have constructed that you may see God's true power at work! Stop straining at the gnats and have faith in God and His Word instead of tearing them down and denying Their power!
I wonder just how one who claims to be a warrior can leave so many weapons on the table. Or how one who claims to be for the cause of Christ can torpedo over and over again Christ's cause!
Ephphatha!
And lest anyone take from this that I am boasting, the only part I had in this was to HAVE FAITH AND PARTICIPATE AS GOD INSTRUCTED. The whole point is not to show what I have done, but to show those without faith what they are missing out on... which is to see the true Word of God in action to bring help and healing to a sick and injured world!!!
Roger! Gr8grace! Vigilant Warrior! The Lord so wishes to break down the wall that you have constructed that you may see God's true power at work! Stop straining at the gnats and have faith in God and His Word instead of tearing them down and denying Their power!
I wonder just how one who claims to be a warrior can leave so many weapons on the table. Or how one who claims to be for the cause of Christ can torpedo over and over again Christ's cause!
Ephphatha!
P
Only a few of them? Not all of them? So, apparently the spirit swatted the wrong few and that is why you had to call in the angels?
I see............
Please be kind enough to give chapter and verse where God instructs us to call on Him to bind, silence, or swat, a few dark spirits, and then when that doesn't work to command angels.
I don't recollect my KJV having that part, but hey, I'm getting old and for sure I am sometimes forgetful, so it's possible I could have missed that part.
And thanks in advance - I need all the biblical help available these days.
I see............
Please be kind enough to give chapter and verse where God instructs us to call on Him to bind, silence, or swat, a few dark spirits, and then when that doesn't work to command angels.
I don't recollect my KJV having that part, but hey, I'm getting old and for sure I am sometimes forgetful, so it's possible I could have missed that part.
And thanks in advance - I need all the biblical help available these days.
B
Ya know Phil... I do not "get" the graphic imagery way that Ricky describes his "prayer warfare" style... meaning that is not the way God has inspired me to pray fervently about a matter "outa the blue"... and I am glad he doesn't do it like that because I would be kinda freaked out. But I am sometimes "moved" to pray fervently and urgently for people about issues I don't know... and have learned about after the fact. Not often... but it has happened.
SO is it the "prayer warfare" or is it the "horror film imagery" that is the issue? Don't you have a private way of communicating to our wife that she understands plainly? Isn't it okay for God to convey to us in a private manner that gets the result He desires?
SO is it the "prayer warfare" or is it the "horror film imagery" that is the issue? Don't you have a private way of communicating to our wife that she understands plainly? Isn't it okay for God to convey to us in a private manner that gets the result He desires?
Hi Ricky! Thank you for that, you said much in here to encourage me. I have a similar experience of prophetic intercession. I know it is nothing I could have dreamed up, or that I could have given myself, but something the Lord began in me and I had to explore where He was leading, by stepping out in faith.
Not long after I started using the gift of tongues, I had committed to pray for a brother who was going into a dark situation in a local church that was resistant to the Holy Spirit, but comfortable with controlling and seducing spirits in its midst. The brother and I had both been recently reprimanded in the same church, separately, for calling the leadership to account for certain issues that were extremely worrying. During the time we shared, praying together and figuring out what was going on, he got baptized in the Holy Spirit...I was already baptized in Him....and then everything took off.
The place he had visited as an alternative church appeared to him to be up to its neck in demonic activity. He determined to discuss this with the pastor and I was going to be praying behind the scenes. I didn't know when the meeting was going to take place.
One morning I awoke with a tremendous urge to pray, so much so that I was on the floor bowed over, praying in tongues as the Lord led. I felt that there was a huge urgency to do so, like you said. I don't know about you but I know when I have to pray and I know when it is finished...and all things in between are accomplished by the Spirit, and definitely not by the flesh.
The urgency mounting, I was aware in my spirit of a wall of resistance that had to be taken down somehow and broken through. I felt the frustration of something withstanding the prayer and obstructing its progress. Still praying in tongues I went into the garden, where I found a piece of wood, half of which had rotted. In my spirit I saw the rottenness represented something dark and nasty and it had to be removed. Still praying and the more fervently, I placed the wood over a brick and stamped down hard. The rotten piece flew off clean from the good wood, and something broke in my prayer.
I continued for some minutes but I knew the Lord had accomplished something, though I didn't know what...except the spiritual impressions and interpretation that I was receiving, not at that stage having the words to describe it.
Later I telephoned the brother to ask what had happened and told him I had been praying most urgently.
He said he had indeed met with the pastor that morning to broach the subject of the spiritual problems in the church (praise the Lord!!). He said it was like he couldn't get through to him at all for some time: the pastor was resistant to reason and plainly not going to listen to anything he said. Then he said, all of a sudden "something broke" and his attitude totally changed. He was able to continue discussion with the pastor whose heart softened sufficiently to hear what was being said.
These things we speak of are to be regarded as precious, but not at all uncommon among the people of God. Yet we know there are those who would attempt to dismantle with cruel words and actions all the Lord is doing by His Spirit, in terms of deliverance, healing and restoration of His church.
Ephesians 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
This is our God and it is He
who demonstrates this by our testimony
So is this the same god that the tongue-haters speak of? I can't see how. Is it not more likely that they have departed from the precious faith and are giving heed to seducing spirits? I hope not but it sure does seem that way.
Thanks for stirring me up Ricky!
2 Peter
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. 12 Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.
13 Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;
Not long after I started using the gift of tongues, I had committed to pray for a brother who was going into a dark situation in a local church that was resistant to the Holy Spirit, but comfortable with controlling and seducing spirits in its midst. The brother and I had both been recently reprimanded in the same church, separately, for calling the leadership to account for certain issues that were extremely worrying. During the time we shared, praying together and figuring out what was going on, he got baptized in the Holy Spirit...I was already baptized in Him....and then everything took off.
The place he had visited as an alternative church appeared to him to be up to its neck in demonic activity. He determined to discuss this with the pastor and I was going to be praying behind the scenes. I didn't know when the meeting was going to take place.
One morning I awoke with a tremendous urge to pray, so much so that I was on the floor bowed over, praying in tongues as the Lord led. I felt that there was a huge urgency to do so, like you said. I don't know about you but I know when I have to pray and I know when it is finished...and all things in between are accomplished by the Spirit, and definitely not by the flesh.
The urgency mounting, I was aware in my spirit of a wall of resistance that had to be taken down somehow and broken through. I felt the frustration of something withstanding the prayer and obstructing its progress. Still praying in tongues I went into the garden, where I found a piece of wood, half of which had rotted. In my spirit I saw the rottenness represented something dark and nasty and it had to be removed. Still praying and the more fervently, I placed the wood over a brick and stamped down hard. The rotten piece flew off clean from the good wood, and something broke in my prayer.
I continued for some minutes but I knew the Lord had accomplished something, though I didn't know what...except the spiritual impressions and interpretation that I was receiving, not at that stage having the words to describe it.
Later I telephoned the brother to ask what had happened and told him I had been praying most urgently.
He said he had indeed met with the pastor that morning to broach the subject of the spiritual problems in the church (praise the Lord!!). He said it was like he couldn't get through to him at all for some time: the pastor was resistant to reason and plainly not going to listen to anything he said. Then he said, all of a sudden "something broke" and his attitude totally changed. He was able to continue discussion with the pastor whose heart softened sufficiently to hear what was being said.
These things we speak of are to be regarded as precious, but not at all uncommon among the people of God. Yet we know there are those who would attempt to dismantle with cruel words and actions all the Lord is doing by His Spirit, in terms of deliverance, healing and restoration of His church.
Ephesians 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
This is our God and it is He
who demonstrates this by our testimony
So is this the same god that the tongue-haters speak of? I can't see how. Is it not more likely that they have departed from the precious faith and are giving heed to seducing spirits? I hope not but it sure does seem that way.
Thanks for stirring me up Ricky!
2 Peter
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. 12 Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.
13 Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;
1 Cor 10
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
E
Thank you Ricky and Convallaria for your witness regarding praying in tongues. I found both refreshing and encouraging this morning!
I have similar experiences I could write about and I usually do not, because of the mocking, jeering and legalist crowd.
So thank you for reminding me that even though some seem to believe their calling in life is to put down anything of the Spirit they do not understand or believe may be beneath them in their elevated and lofty opinions of themselves, there are many who will humble themselves on their knees and cry out to God in these times we aer living in.
Here is one of my experiences.
Some years ago now, I was going for a ride on my bike alone in the country. My (ex) husband and I were at his parents cottage for the week-end, as usual, and he was busy doing work around the house so he told me to go ahead and just enjoy my ride and we do something together later on.
I had turned onto a road that did not see much traffic and had already gone pretty far when a car passed with 4 men in it...they all stared at me as they went by and immediately I began to pray in tongues and call out to God because I pretty much knew the danger I was in. In fact, I can almost feel the tightening in my chest now as I type this.
Well, the car turned around and came back towards me with the windows down and they began calling out to me and they drove back and forth and few times like that and I just kept peddaling away and praying. They were coming back for another pass and then in front of me I saw a couple of men on bikes and I caught up with them and explained my predicament and asked if I could ride with them and they said of course I could.
The car with the men turned around again when they saw I now had company, and they drove off.
Now here is the thing. I don't know where these men came from. I should have passed them before I turned to get away from the carload of men, but I had passed no one. These men and I began to talk and they said they were Christians and I said so was I and I said God had answered my prayers in bringing me in contact with them. They agreed.
We all stayed together until the turn off for my own road and they continued straight. To this day, all I know is that God protected me and I don't know where those men came from or who they were.
Psalm
46 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;
3 Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.
I have similar experiences I could write about and I usually do not, because of the mocking, jeering and legalist crowd.
So thank you for reminding me that even though some seem to believe their calling in life is to put down anything of the Spirit they do not understand or believe may be beneath them in their elevated and lofty opinions of themselves, there are many who will humble themselves on their knees and cry out to God in these times we aer living in.
Here is one of my experiences.
Some years ago now, I was going for a ride on my bike alone in the country. My (ex) husband and I were at his parents cottage for the week-end, as usual, and he was busy doing work around the house so he told me to go ahead and just enjoy my ride and we do something together later on.
I had turned onto a road that did not see much traffic and had already gone pretty far when a car passed with 4 men in it...they all stared at me as they went by and immediately I began to pray in tongues and call out to God because I pretty much knew the danger I was in. In fact, I can almost feel the tightening in my chest now as I type this.
Well, the car turned around and came back towards me with the windows down and they began calling out to me and they drove back and forth and few times like that and I just kept peddaling away and praying. They were coming back for another pass and then in front of me I saw a couple of men on bikes and I caught up with them and explained my predicament and asked if I could ride with them and they said of course I could.
The car with the men turned around again when they saw I now had company, and they drove off.
Now here is the thing. I don't know where these men came from. I should have passed them before I turned to get away from the carload of men, but I had passed no one. These men and I began to talk and they said they were Christians and I said so was I and I said God had answered my prayers in bringing me in contact with them. They agreed.
We all stayed together until the turn off for my own road and they continued straight. To this day, all I know is that God protected me and I don't know where those men came from or who they were.
Psalm
46 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;
3 Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.
E
I'll just write this once and you all can make what you want of it.
We are heading into deception such as has not been seen on this earth. You have no idea what is ahead and what is right will be made to look wrong...you think it is like that now, but you have seen nothing of what will come.
You cannot flee as some say you can and you cannot hide. Only God can protect you as you abide in Him and He IS our refuge and our strength in this day of trouble.
I am not a prophet but I believe that what I write here is true. I believe the Bible indicates this and I believe that some of you who fancy yourselves to be right and proper Christians will become the enemies of those who actually are in Christ Jesus. It will be as Paul killing Christians, except, unlike Paul, you will have no excuse for what you do.
I am not afraid. What will come will come and no one can stop it. The pot is stirred and each sees in it what they will.
May God give ears to hear and eyes to see.
I am done with this thread and so please do not expect an answer from me should you post.
You should seek God...not man.
Even so, come Lord Jesus.
We are heading into deception such as has not been seen on this earth. You have no idea what is ahead and what is right will be made to look wrong...you think it is like that now, but you have seen nothing of what will come.
You cannot flee as some say you can and you cannot hide. Only God can protect you as you abide in Him and He IS our refuge and our strength in this day of trouble.
I am not a prophet but I believe that what I write here is true. I believe the Bible indicates this and I believe that some of you who fancy yourselves to be right and proper Christians will become the enemies of those who actually are in Christ Jesus. It will be as Paul killing Christians, except, unlike Paul, you will have no excuse for what you do.
I am not afraid. What will come will come and no one can stop it. The pot is stirred and each sees in it what they will.
May God give ears to hear and eyes to see.
I am done with this thread and so please do not expect an answer from me should you post.
You should seek God...not man.
Even so, come Lord Jesus.
P
Here, you never once argued any concrete point. VW presented his views after he presented a brief chronological history of Paul's writings. Ember, you got hung up on the part where VW said these gifts serve no purpose today (except self-glorification) and failed to address the historical points VW presented.
Later, VW expands...but my point, here, is to show that VW was not attacking any individual's personal character here -- you were.
Later, VW expands...but my point, here, is to show that VW was not attacking any individual's personal character here -- you were.
Amen Ember! Many thanks for your awesome testimonies on this thread. Please be encouraged that our experience is consistent in the Holy Spirit, and with the word of God. I believe also that we are going to be facing times ahead when we will need to know that we are in Christ for sure, because if we don't, it will all be over. There were some wise and some foolish virgins...the foolish ones were locked out. They cried out to the Lord to open the door to them, but He said "I know you not".
Can you hear that door clanging shut? It will happen one day, and when it does, all the tongue haters on here who always resist the Holy Ghost, and never thought they needed Him, will remember these conversations...but it will be far too late.
Can you hear that door clanging shut? It will happen one day, and when it does, all the tongue haters on here who always resist the Holy Ghost, and never thought they needed Him, will remember these conversations...but it will be far too late.
P
Who is the neutral party to go to for counsel -- the emotionally-driven person who makes assumptions and accusations towards an individual, or the individual who presents his argument logically, respectfully, and with sound biblical exegesis?
Ember, You're attacking an individual with passersby and bystanders present.
Roger's words pop into my head: 'Souls are at stake'
Ember, You're attacking an individual with passersby and bystanders present.
Roger's words pop into my head: 'Souls are at stake'