To comfort those who speak in tongues

[Gr8grace]

Amen Ember! Many thanks for your awesome testimonies on this thread. Please be encouraged that our experience is consistent in the Holy Spirit, and with the word of God. I believe also that we are going to be facing times ahead when we will need to know that we are in Christ for sure, because if we don't, it will all be over. There were some wise and some foolish virgins...the foolish ones were locked out. They cried out to the Lord to open the door to them, but He said "I know you not".

Can you hear that door clanging shut? It will happen one day, and when it does, all the tongue haters on here who always resist the Holy Ghost, and never thought they needed Him, will remember these conversations...but it will be far too late.

See? another post that implies we will not be saved.

I don't hate tongues, they are a gift that has ceased. I do not deny that tongues are around today. They are just from emotions and some are demonic.

The believer is indwelt with the Holy Spirit the moment they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. There is not ONE believer who is without the Holy Spirit.

The tongues issue is not a salvation issue.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

I did say right at the beginning that 2 Tim 1:6 refers to the gift given to him by the laying on of Paul's hands...and that insomuch as it is about a gift, it may be equally about any of the nine gifts listed as given in 1 Cor 12, but that for certain as it applies to the church it refers to the gift of tongues, as one of those nine gifts.

Those of us who have that particular gift know that we can lay it aside, if for instance we are becoming discouraged, and then somewhat backslidden... or the attacks of unspiritual people upon us become too much to bear....and many other reasons besides.

It is in these times we need to be reminded to stir up the gift that is given us....so that we are edified spiritually and others are too.

I think you have confused the gifts with miraculous signs. If you think about it, miraculous signs such as raising the dead and the loaves and fishes are things that all observers see, and become witness to, and are in some cases beneficiaries of.....even if they are not saved and therefore children of God. Whereas the gifts as I listed in my response to you, are only for the church, for those born again of the Spirit of God.

I note your clever remark about sticking around beyond the lunch provided. And yet if you would only do that yourself while in prayer, humbly requesting that you might be a recipient of these promises even as others are, you might be surprised at what you receive.

This is not a worldly kind of gift-giving, but a Godly kind, where these things are given to EVERY man (in the church) to profit....so that what we receive inevitably has a follow-through of blessing for those who are the recipients, either directly or as hearers.

Do we stir our gifts -- or does God?

 

[shotgunner]

See? another post that implies we will not be saved.

I don't hate tongues, they are a gift that has ceased. I do not deny that tongues are around today. They are just from emotions and some are demonic.

The believer is indwelt with the Holy Spirit the moment they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. There is not ONE believer who is without the Holy Spirit.

The tongues issue is not a salvation issue.

The believer is indwelt with the Holy Spirit the moment they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. There is not ONE believer who is without the Holy Spirit.

The tongues issue is not a salvation issue.

This I will agree with. The rest I do not. It may be in some cases but satan has a counterfeit for every truth. I have experienced the truth and I wish everyone else could as well.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

More complete NONSENSE!

It's quite obvious you don't have a clue what you're talking about, so I suggest you have a look at This study to correct your ignorance on this most beautiful gift from Our Heavenly Father which cost Christ so much to purchase (A gift that Paul most highly esteemed, 1Cor 14v18)! Matt 7v7-11, Luke 11v9-13, Acts 2v23-33, Rom 10v7, 1Cor 14v2, Eph 4v7-16, Jude v20,21.

You can find a longer study Here on the gifts of the Spirit (as listed in 1Cor 12v7-11), the gift of tongues is number 8 in the list.

Yahweh Shalom

Is this a Jewish source?

When you say that speaking in tongues is pointless, I find that really insulting (to God) and if you had the "intelligence" you claim to have, you wouldn't have made such a "pointless" remark!

So I suggest you maybe go and do a bit of studying on the subject you claim to be intelligent on!

Unbelievable.

You may have done extensive study, however, your "knowledge" and "understanding" on it is almost nil, and you prove this by such comments as "speaking in tongues is not a sin, just pointless!"

So once again I suggest you go and do the appropriate study on the gifts of the Spirit (as listed in 1Cor 12v7-11) for you are certainly spiritually myopic in their regards and operations!

The above is my opinion, you can either like or lump it!

They will be obvious to all except those who are likely to attack them for something they are missing themselves!

It is quite clear to me now; those who uttered the words "tongue haters" are the ones who are lashing out at people. Those who are being called "tongue haters" have, for the most part, remained respectful. (Rom 2:8)

---- It just keeps going...

oooo owww......you just can't rake in the claws, can you....

and this coming from someone who started a big ole thread on how we should be careful how we talk and not call people names and who called me out because AFTER that thread wherein posted, I made some obscure comment that I cannot even recall about someone regarding their baiting others...and he called me out and said I should respect his desire to be nice to all because I said I would make that effort

I guess you got over that? eh?

I think one of your big books fell on your noggin

so are we even again?

now I'll go and see about answering you since the entire crew of over 22 Bible versions need your help

it may be a while coming, cause life goes on in my house apart from this forum, but it is coming and so is winter

I think some folks really need an attitude adjustment. You don't know what you are talking about and yet you insist you are right and we folks who pray in tongues or whatever in the power of the Spirit of God, have it all wrong.

So much back & forth...

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Wounded, would you be interested in your own digital copy of the collected works of the Early Church Fathers? I have a vast collection of books, both in print and digital, if you are interested.

Yep, thanks.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Ember,

Did you ever clarify this post? I don't think you did.

In fact, you made some comment about how this is not a courtroom...

Is this a courtroom? This topic is never over...kindly do not correct me and I will return the favor

- I wasn't correcting you; I was asking for clarification, and also helping clarify what VW said.
- I told you this once already -- but it went ignored.

mheh...no probs...feelings not hurt...eyes from reading this all again, perhaps...thanks

thing is, I have read many more of VW's posts regarding his thoughts on this subject then have you...I am responding from that deep wealth of knowledge

Oh cool -- You can see how many posts I've read?

You're wrong ember. You misunderstand and when someone attempts to clarify, you lash out at them.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Hi WW, I am not sure if your comment here is sarcastic, or if you actually believe what you are writing. Please let me know!

I hope you can see now why I used the term "tongue haters" on another thread because that is what they are. They are saying that all of us who can testify to the power of God poured out among us including the gift of tongues are SINNERS and also if as they say tongues have already ceased, by that implication we are LIARS.

I would think that is dangerous ground to be on and I am a bit surprised you are gravitating in the same direction.

No, that's not what they're saying. They're not saying those who speak in tongues are sinners and liars -- they're saying you're misled. They have supported their thoughts with scripture and historical evidence (based on scripture). Rather than respectfully challenging the evidence -- you and Ember are challenging their motivations and character.

They did say it though, here in post 18 "So you see, your declaration is in error, as these gifts were no long necessary by the end of the first century, and they serve no purpose today except the self-glorifcation of those who practice them, which is sin.". Now they are backpeddling.
James 1 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

Amazing how far some will go to disguise their own unbelief.

They're not backpedaling, they're clarifying (it's not really 'they, here, it's VW). Some of us took offense to his initial statement -- but when you step back for a second and think about what VW actually said: 'self-glorification is sin' is essentially what he said -- does anyone disagree with this? No! "atwhatcost" made this mistake, later understood -- and even apologized.

Ahh ok but do be careful please because if God's word says it, you can trust it to be true...and according to His word, God has not changed His mind about the gifts as follows:

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Romans 11:29 was addressed (by a couple/few people) and then Kayla entered the scene and we reverted back to re-clarifying issues that we had already address (feels like chopping your way through a jungle -- but the trail grows back too quickly for others to catch up).

So speaking in tongues is a sin?! Please look at my last post and tell me how the person was bringing glory to herself by telling an unsaved man how to be saved. Tell me how that is a sin,thanks.

Sorry if I hijacked your thread -- this wasn't my intention. My intention was twofold: to explore the tongues conversation, and to support those who were being personally attacked. Unfortunately, those who appeared to be "under attack" weren't actually being attacked at all. Ironically, those who initially appeared to be under attack are actually the ones who will not cease the personal attacks.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

I find it very odd how many today claim to reject Catholic doctrine yet the still cling to Cessationism.

Will you expand please?

 

[Gr8grace]

God had Israel for His Client nation. This nation was to be free and have the freedom to spread the Gospel to all other nations and people. As long as this nation stayed positive to God and spread the Gospel, God protected Israel.

Israel fell away, and they went negative towards God. God puts His client nation through 5 cycles of discipline to get that nation "back on track". Each cycle of discipline gets worse so as to wake people up. If the Nation does not heed the discipline the 5th cycle ends that nations client status and God Goes to a nation that is positive to Him.

1st ~~ Leviticus 26:16-17
2nd ~~ Leviticus 26:18-20
3rd `~ Leviticus 26:21-22
4th ~~ Leviticus 26:23-26
5th ~~ Leviticus 26:27-38; descriptive in Deuteronomy 28:49-67

In Isaiah 28, the prophet warns Israel of the coming 5th cycle of discipline.

Isaiah 28:2 (NASB95)
2 Behold, the Lord has a strong and mighty agent(The Jews were dispersed as a nation in 70 AD);
As a storm of hail, a tempest of destruction,
Like a storm of mighty overflowing waters,
He has cast itdown to the earth with His hand.


Isaiah 28:11 (NASB95)
11 Indeed, He will speak to this people
Through stammering lips and a foreign tongue,


1 Corinthians 14:21 (NASB95)
21 In the Law it is written, “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, and even so they will not listen to Me,” says the Lord.

While members of the church had the Gift,the impact of the Gift was for "this people"......Israel.


What was the purpose of tongues? And what did God want to accomplish through the Sign gift of tongues?


1 Corinthians 14:22 (NASB95)
22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.


1 Corinthians 14:21 (NASB95)
21 In the Law it is written, “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, and even so they will not listen to Me,” says the Lord.

Tongues were a sign to unbelieving Israel, that they were about to have the 5th cycle of discipline administered to their nation. And they would be dispersed as a nation. And tongues ceased to "this people" in 70 AD when God administered His 5th cycle of discipline.


Isaiah 28:1 (NASB95)
1 Woe to the proud crown of the drunkards of Ephraim,
And to the fading flower of its glorious beauty,
Which is at the head of the fertile valley
Of those who are overcome with wine!


Isaiah 28:2 (NASB95)
2 Behold, the Lord has a strong and mighty agent(Jerusalem was overthrown by a foreign agent);
As a storm of hail, a tempest of destruction,
Like a storm of mighty overflowing waters,
He has cast itdown to the earth with His hand.

 

[RickyZ]

Only a few of them? Not all of them? So, apparently the spirit swatted the wrong few and that is why you had to call in the angels?
I see............

Please be kind enough to give chapter and verse where God instructs us to call on Him to bind, silence, or swat, a few dark spirits, and then when that doesn't work to command angels.
I don't recollect my KJV having that part, but hey, I'm getting old and for sure I am sometimes forgetful, so it's possible I could have missed that part.
And thanks in advance - I need all the biblical help available these days.

It starts in Matthew 4 where Jesus is tempted by the devil; satan says to throw Himself off because He can command angels to lift Him up. Then it's transferred by virtue of John 14:12 where Jesus says that everything He can do, we will do and more.

But I was hoping we wouldn't get sidetracked on this part. The point was that praying in tongues allowed me to receive information and perform intercession on things I would otherwise have had no knowledge of, and that glorified God.

 

[MsLimpet]

To comfort those who speak in tongues

2 Tim 1:6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.
This scripture is referring to many of the good things gifted by the Lord to His children. But one thing we know for sure is that to stir up the gift of God in us includes the gift of tongues.


Perhaps you received that gift a few years back but have not used it since? The word says we are to stir it up, not being fearful, but confident that what God accomplishes by His Spirit in us is far better than anything dreamed up by the schemes of the flesh of man.
Picture a vessel of new wine, in which the yeast has settled like a layer of clay in the bottom. If you stir up the wine including the yeast deposit you will soon see the bubbles gathering into a whoosh of foam, a surge of activity which multiplies into an active principal once more, no more settled back on its lees.


The deposit of God is a gift within us. Let us not disappoint Him by leaving His gift to settle motionless and inactive. The time is now to stir up that gift and pour forth the effervescence of new wine, which is of joy and of love and of power in the Holy Spirit.

If we are born again we have our new wineskins. Fill us up Lord so that we may pour forth, for Your glory, in Jesus’ Name, amen.

We no longer speak in tongues.

1 Corinthians 13:8-10 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

These gifts were to continue in the church to guide and instruct it until the completed will of God was made known. They were to serve a temporary purpose; then when their office was fulfilled, they were to pass away and give place to it.

That perfection was completed, so far as God's work of the revealing work of the Spirit is concerned, when the full will of God should be revealed, or made known, and his provisions for saving men should be set in operation, as is set forth in the following: "And he gave some to be apostles, and some, prophets, and some, evangelists, and some, pastors and teachers, for the perfecting of the saints, unto the work of ministering, unto the building up of the body of Christ,until we all attain unto the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a fullgrown man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ. That we may be no longer children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men in craftiness, after the wiles of error, but speaking truth in love, may grow up in all things into him, who is the head, even Christ." (Eph. 4:11-15.) In this scripture, Paul explains the whole matter, showing that these miraculous gifts were to serve till the full knowledge was received to make them one in faith and to bring them to the fullness of men and women in Christ. That knowledge is given in the New Testament.

 

[RickyZ]

I saw this scene in a movie on Netflix.
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Click the image for a link to the film. If you're interested in vampire movies, it's a good flick. Otherwise, the scene described by RickyZ is towards the end of the film.

Here's an image of "Ricky" and "Vicki" in the film:

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Interesting how your focus is on horror-movie imagery instead of THE FACT THAT GOD'S SPIRIT INTERCEDED TO KEEP SOMEONE FROM DISASTER. Could be why you're not taking in the whole picture regarding the gifts of the Spirit.

People mock that which they do not understand. Thanks for admitting that you do not understand these things. I will pray that your understanding be increased.

 

[RickyZ]

Thank you Ricky and Convallaria for your witness regarding praying in tongues. I found both refreshing and encouraging this morning!

I have similar experiences I could write about and I usually do not, because of the mocking, jeering and legalist crowd.

So thank you for reminding me that even though some seem to believe their calling in life is to put down anything of the Spirit they do not understand or believe may be beneath them in their elevated and lofty opinions of themselves, there are many who will humble themselves on their knees and cry out to God in these times we aer living in.

Here is one of my experiences.

Some years ago now, I was going for a ride on my bike alone in the country. My (ex) husband and I were at his parents cottage for the week-end, as usual, and he was busy doing work around the house so he told me to go ahead and just enjoy my ride and we do something together later on.

I had turned onto a road that did not see much traffic and had already gone pretty far when a car passed with 4 men in it...they all stared at me as they went by and immediately I began to pray in tongues and call out to God because I pretty much knew the danger I was in. In fact, I can almost feel the tightening in my chest now as I type this.

Well, the car turned around and came back towards me with the windows down and they began calling out to me and they drove back and forth and few times like that and I just kept peddaling away and praying. They were coming back for another pass and then in front of me I saw a couple of men on bikes and I caught up with them and explained my predicament and asked if I could ride with them and they said of course I could.

The car with the men turned around again when they saw I now had company, and they drove off.

Now here is the thing. I don't know where these men came from. I should have passed them before I turned to get away from the carload of men, but I had passed no one. These men and I began to talk and they said they were Christians and I said so was I and I said God had answered my prayers in bringing me in contact with them. They agreed.

We all stayed together until the turn off for my own road and they continued straight. To this day, all I know is that God protected me and I don't know where those men came from or who they were.


Psalm
46 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;
3 Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.

Roger - do you see the miracles you exclude yourself from by your unbelief?


Thank you Ember!

 

[RickyZ]

Amen Ember! Many thanks for your awesome testimonies on this thread. Please be encouraged that our experience is consistent in the Holy Spirit, and with the word of God. I believe also that we are going to be facing times ahead when we will need to know that we are in Christ for sure, because if we don't, it will all be over. There were some wise and some foolish virgins...the foolish ones were locked out. They cried out to the Lord to open the door to them, but He said "I know you not".

Can you hear that door clanging shut? It will happen one day, and when it does, all the tongue haters on here who always resist the Holy Ghost, and never thought they needed Him, will remember these conversations...but it will be far too late.

Amen! The day is coming when we will see spiritual warfare on levels unseen since the OT - and we will see many who were not prepared for it turn away!

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Interesting how your focus is on horror-movie imagery instead of THE FACT THAT GOD'S SPIRIT INTERCEDED TO KEEP SOMEONE FROM DISASTER. Could be why you're not taking in the whole picture regarding the gifts of the Spirit.

People mock that which they do not understand. Thanks for admitting that you do not understand these things. I will pray that your understanding be increased.

I thought it was interesting how your story aligns (almost exactly) with a scene from this movie.

This isn't a laughable matter.

Thanks for the prayer though -- Understanding is always a positive thing. I have learned a lot through this thread.

 

[RickyZ]

Roger's words pop into my head: 'Souls are at stake'

They sure are. Too bad his is de-powered by his lack of belief and faith.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

They sure are. Too bad his is de-powered by his lack of belief and faith.

Why continue the personal attacks / judgements?

Why not use logic and reason instead?

 

[RickyZ]

See? another post that implies we will not be saved.

I don't hate tongues, they are a gift that has ceased. I do not deny that tongues are around today. They are just from emotions and some are demonic.

The believer is indwelt with the Holy Spirit the moment they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. There is not ONE believer who is without the Holy Spirit.

The tongues issue is not a salvation issue.

You are right, the lack of tongues does not indicate an unsaved status.

But I would caution you with Mark 23: 28Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”30He said this because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit.”

Isn't Mark 23:30 exactly what you just said? Beware thy tongue!

 

[RickyZ]

What was the purpose of tongues? And what did God want to accomplish through the Sign gift of tongues?

This question has not only already been answered, but you've been given stark examples of it.

If you're not willing to see and consider answers to your questions, then perhaps you should stop asking them. I mean, what's the point of asking a question if you're going to turn a deaf ear to the answers?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

You are right, the lack of tongues does not indicate an unsaved status.

But I would caution you with Mark 23: 28Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”30He said this because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit.”

Isn't Mark 23:30 exactly what you just said? Beware thy tongue!

My wife and I were discussing this yesterday. She told me stories of her brother who, at times, appeared to become possessed and speak in tongues. Never once did anything positive come from these events -- often times negative consequences were the result.

One time he even thought he was a chicken -- dead serious! He walked around the kitchen, clucking like a chicken. Another time, he exposed his private parts to his sister.

Sound like the works of the Holy Spirit to you?