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eternally-gratefull

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Law of the heart, morals of God. Commandments of the Lord. Guide to lead us to walk a Christian walk. For without your works, how will I know your saved by faith? Anyone can claim to be Christian and live like a heathen all week. Your works by obedience shows your genuine saving faith.

anyone can also claim to be a christian, and appear to live a holy life. and be no more christian than the heathen who does no works.

I do not think you got the jist of my post either.. Read it again.
 

Blain

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I live in the grace of Yeshua, probably more than many here who criticize
.Maybe I read this wrong but this seems kind of self centered, pretty bold saying you are better than most here in cc. Or were you saying something else?

The Commandments of Yahweh are my delight.

Do not come back to me saying His desire for our good moral conduct is putting anyone under the law.

Those who insist on this are abridging the Word, most of the Psalms and Proverbs.

Do not pervert the Word by teaching the Commandments of Yahweh are rescinded by grace. This is a lie.

Otherwise we would not be warned by Yeshua in His gospel, by His brother, John in his letters, and most critically important in the Book Revelation. We are taught by Yeshua to keep the Commandments.

No new teaching replaces the teaching of Yeshua.

Do not come back saying this means dietary laws, ceremonial laws, geographically explicit laws, or any laws of the Temple. If you do not know the difference, learn the difference. This is not picking anc choosing, it is the difference between what the Most High God, our Father, wants for us, and the futility of the Law.

If anyone cannot digest this very easy teaching, that would be their loss, however if you cannot cross the bridge, for God's sake, do not block those who are on their Way.

God bless all those in the Forum who are true to the Word of Yahweh in Yeshua, amen.
Maybe I read this wrong but this seems kind of self centered, pretty bold saying you are better than most here in cc. Or were you saying something else?
 

JaumeJ

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I did not wish to give the impression or say I do not have thoughts, which according to our Savior, is the same as committing, but I have always been good about not maintaining them or carrying them out, so forgive me if I sounded as though I think I do not sin. My error in thought is not held against me though. Any "pecadillo" is always acknowledged immediately, so if that makes anyone understand better the op, I am happe. Yahweh bless all in Yeshua, amen.
 
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Bryancampbell

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#64

anyone can also claim to be a christian, and appear to live a holy life. and be no more christian than the heathen who does no works.

I do not think you got the jist of my post either.. Read it again.
I understand the post, many think these here are attributing to OT, when really following moral conduct is part of our faith.
 

zone

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Law of the heart, morals of God. Commandments of the Lord. Guide to lead us to walk a Christian walk. For without your works, how will I know your saved by faith? Anyone can claim to be Christian and live like a heathen all week. Your works by obedience shows your genuine saving faith.
shows who your saving faith?
anybody can live an externally moral life and go to church 7 days a week; serve on every committee and do everything to show their saving faith.

saving faith is a gift from God.
loving God is a gift from God.

Hebrews 12:2
Run with Perseverance

1Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.

Romans 5:5
Faith Brings Peace and Joy

4and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; 5and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#66
I understand the post, many think these here are attributing to OT, when really following moral conduct is part of our faith.
No, I do not think you quite understand.

How do we follow moral conduct when we do not even know how. Or why, or what it means?

The jews could not do it. Only in a self righteous type of way which did not please God.

what separates them from us?
 
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Bryancampbell

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#67
shows who your saving faith?
anybody can live an externally moral life and go to church 7 days a week; serve on every committee and do everything to show their saving faith.

saving faith is a gift from God.
loving God is a gift from God.

Hebrews 12:2
Run with Perseverance

1Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.

Romans 5:5
Faith Brings Peace and Joy

4and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; 5and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
Is not hypocrisy a sin? Pretend you live holy, but lie to God, that's hypocrisy, a work of iniquity.
I must correct myself, I meant live a life with genuine works, not hypocrisy.
 
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Bryancampbell

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No, I do not think you quite understand.

How do we follow moral conduct when we do not even know how. Or why, or what it means?

The jews could not do it. Only in a self righteous type of way which did not please God.

what separates them from us?
Lol I see you change the subject quick. Your talking about self righteous who aren't under grace. Friend we are talking about people saved by grace who follow the morals of God.
 

zone

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Is not hypocrisy a sin? Pretend you live holy, but lie to God, that's hypocrisy, a work of iniquity.
I must correct myself, I meant live a life with genuine works, not hypocrisy.
but i wasn't referring to hypocrites.
i meant genuine believers.

Christians WILL do good works.

they generally don't talk about them though.
 
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josh123

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Is not hypocrisy a sin? Pretend you live holy, but lie to God, that's hypocrisy, a work of iniquity.
I must correct myself, I meant live a life with genuine works, not hypocrisy.
no one can do that without the holy spirit because deep in their heart they will still desire to sin and once again will just be showing forms of holiness
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Lol I see you change the subject quick. Your talking about self righteous who aren't under grace. Friend we are talking about people saved by grace who follow the morals of God.
no. I am talking about the law.. Not self righteous.. Although it can be deemed self righteous.

I am asking why do we go to law when the law can not tell us how to live, All it can do is tell us we are not living as required (if we want to save ourselves)
 
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Bryancampbell

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but i wasn't referring to hypocrites.
i meant genuine believers.
No I was just correcting myself from your first statement
 
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Bryancampbell

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no. I am talking about the law.. Not self righteous.. Although it can be deemed self righteous.

I am asking why do we go to law when the law can not tell us how to live, All it can do is tell us we are not living as required (if we want to save ourselves)
Why are you fretting about laws that bound the OT saints? Law is broken down to different sections, the ten commandments is a moral law, you don't have to follow ceremonial, dietary, etc laws. You aren't even required to follow any law. But to have the moral law (commandments) even Jesus commandments should be observed for a Christian life right? Not a requirement, but a recommendation if you want to live in the likeness of the Lord through the Spirit. Law of moral.
 
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Bryancampbell

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i was agreeing with you from the start...lol
just adding.
sorry for confusion.
No lol I was more like talking to myself there, sorry if it was pointing to you with a reply quote.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Why are you fretting about laws that bound the OT saints? Law is broken down to different sections, the ten commandments is a moral law, you don't have to follow ceremonial, dietary, etc laws. You aren't even required to follow any law. But to have the moral law (commandments) even Jesus commandments should be observed for a Christian life right? Not a requirement, but a recommendation if you want to live in the likeness of the Lord through the Spirit. Law of moral.
why?

because the law of moses says do not covet. thats all. it does not tell me how to do it. it only tells me if i did it or not. and if I did, it tells me I am condemned for doing it and rightly so.


so again, what good are these laws if it does not tell me HOW and WHY to do it?
 

JaumeJ

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Does everyone know we are all sinners?

Yet we have no sin because of grace, does eveyone know this?

And does everyone ignore the teachings of Yeshua about keeping the commandments. The most direct is the reference I have quoted many times from Revelation.

Do people ignore Revelation? Do they ignore the teaching of John on obeying commandments, or of our Lord, Himself?

How has this come into being? None were taught to disobey commandments in my formative years, and I attended several denominations under the umbrella name of Christianity.

The Ten Commandments were in many court rooms, though separation of church and state are against such practices.

When did this teaching that the commandments are not to be followed show up in Christian religions..........I say religions because by virtue of each's differences, they are different, and opposing.............
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Does everyone know we are all sinners?

Yet we have no sin because of grace, does eveyone know this?

And does everyone ignore the teachings of Yeshua about keeping the commandments. The most direct is the reference I have quoted many times from Revelation.

Do people ignore Revelation? Do they ignore the teaching of John on obeying commandments, or of our Lord, Himself?

How has this come into being? None were taught to disobey commandments in my formative years, and I attended several denominations under the umbrella name of Christianity.

The Ten Commandments were in many court rooms, though separation of church and state are against such practices.

When did this teaching that the commandments are not to be followed show up in Christian religions..........I say religions because by virtue of each's differences, they are different, and opposing.............

does anyone understand we do not keep the commands by following the law?? why do people think the very thing which become a stumbling block to the jews will all of a sudden make us holy and righteous people??
 
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Bryancampbell

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why?

because the law of moses says do not covet. thats all. it does not tell me how to do it. it only tells me if i did it or not. and if I did, it tells me I am condemned for doing it and rightly so.


so again, what good are these laws if it does not tell me HOW and WHY to do it?

it does tells you how to live by them in two commandments,

And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” Luke 10:27 NASB

By love you walk with God in the Spirit as a believer. By love you follow and do the works of good morals, teachings, and commandments of our Lord. God is love, God is Spirit, the Spirit must be love right? Judge for yourself. But I know what to believe.