TONGUES is a precious gift from God

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Lafftur

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This is obviously in Koine Greek. Any normal believer would know that. I wonder if the fellow is thinking he can fool someone who doesn't know Greek to give a "Charismatic" interpretation to it? Just wonderin'...
Well, I don't know Greek or even Koine Greek but, when I listened to it in audio...I was drawn to the word "logos" and immediately knew it was John 1:1. It took me a while to figure out how to listen to it in audio...lol! :giggle:
 
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Oblio

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Learn Greek? I'll leave that to others. I'd rather play my guitar and sing...
"I'm thirsty, Lord, well I'm thirsty, Lord, yes I'm thirsty, Lord, for Your living water of life!"
But that's just me. Lol
 
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Learn Greek? I'll leave that to others. I'd rather play my guitar and sing...
"I'm thirsty, Lord, well I'm thirsty, Lord, yes I'm thirsty, Lord, for Your living water of life!"
But that's just me. Lol
It was all Greek to me until I started to learn it. Now I have learned enough to make me dangerous! :)
 

Lafftur

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Discernment, is not us judging, but the Spirit of God judging, and we are the ones understanding what the outcome of that judgement is!
I'm not so sure the Holy Spirit is judging...but, I would say the Holy Spirit knows exactly what is happening around us and gives us insight and understanding of it.
 
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It was all Greek to me until I started to learn it. Now I have learned enough to make me dangerous! :)
I'm just starting to learn Hebrew. I've learned 1 sentence! Lol I'd rather play my guitar. I was supposed to learn a Hebrew song...oops! Lol
 

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The Acts account is Luke's journal entry of what happened on the Day of Pentecost. It was not meant to be any sort of definitive doctrinal teaching about the nature of the gift of tongues. Acts 2 was a one-off miracle not related to the gift of tongues as defined in 1 Corinthians 14. It was the fulfillment of the Isaiah's prophecy that you have quoted in several versions.

Also, the languages spoken on the Day of Pentecost were not mocking or contemptuous. If you read the account carefully you will see that the disciples were speaking of the wonderful works of God in the different regional languages. So, to use our quoted references to imply that those who speak in tongues are being mocking or contemptuous, is a total misuse of Scripture to try and prove a point.

Even though you are using very large text to ram your points home, your argument still goes down like a zeppelin in flames.
The Book of Acts also known as the Acts of the Apostles or Acts of the Holy Spirit cover many years of ministry of the early church. To say, Luke, writing of 28 chapters which recorded over 30 years of events from Peter and Paul and Pauls journeys. To say such things is not true.


The day of Pentecost was not the only day we see in the book of Acts the gifts of the Holy Spirit worked through people. And the Holy Spirit did not just use the Apostles. Stephen was not an apostle

"Stephen, a man full of faith and the Holy Spirit," Acts 6:5
8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and signs among the people.



Ananias was not an apostle he was disciple

Now there was a certain disciple at Damascus named Ananias; Acts 9:10


He was sent by the Lord to lay his hands on Paul to be healed.

"17 And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”

Acts 9:17
 

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The Book of Acts also known as the Acts of the Apostles or Acts of the Holy Spirit cover many years of ministry of the early church. To say, Luke, writing of 28 chapters which recorded over 30 years of events from Peter and Paul and Pauls journeys. To say such things is not true.


The day of Pentecost was not the only day we see in the book of Acts the gifts of the Holy Spirit worked through people. And the Holy Spirit did not just use the Apostles. Stephen was not an apostle

"Stephen, a man full of faith and the Holy Spirit," Acts 6:5
8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and signs among the people.



Ananias was not an apostle he was disciple

Now there was a certain disciple at Damascus named Ananias; Acts 9:10


He was sent by the Lord to lay his hands on Paul to be healed.

"17 And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”

Acts 9:17
The main point is: book of Acts is not meant for teaching about the nature of the gift of tongues.
That God uses not only apostles to show miracles in the first times of the church is not New.
He shows today, too, mainly in the Mission context.
 
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The main point is: book of Acts is not meant for teaching about the nature of the gift of tongues.
That God uses not only apostles to show miracles in the first times of the church is not New.
He shows today, too, mainly in the Mission context.
The main point is: book of Acts is not meant for teaching about the nature of the gift of tongues.
That God uses not only apostles to show miracles in the first times of the church is not New.
He shows today, too, mainly in the Mission context.
Any competent student of the English language knows the difference between narrative and instructional language. The Old Testament histories are full of narrative, and contains many events that showed the conduct of good and bad people. To use those narratives to form the basis of doctrine is very risky, because just because something took place, it doesn't mean that what happened was right or was the will of God that they happened that way. For example, Joshua was instructed by the Lord to subdue the Canaanites, but he went ahead and massacred them. Did Joshua go further than what God intended? Does that mean that we should kill those who reject Christ because Joshua killed the Canaanites who persisted in their sin against God? We read that Judas hanged himself after becoming deeply depressed after he realised what he had done. Does that mean that everyone who becomes depressed should go and hang themselves? Just because David committed adultery and then had the woman's husband killed, does that mean that adultery and murder are acceptable, seeing that David was a man after God's own heart?

Many errors and heresies have resulted from using narrative as a basis for doctrine.
 

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Delusion:

1. A false belief that is resistant to confrontation with actual facts.

2. The state of being deluded or misled, or process of deluding somebody.

3. That which is falsely or delusively believed or propagated; false belief; error in belief.

4. A fixed, false belief, that will not change, despite evidence to the contrary.
 

de-emerald

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illusion something that looks like magic, but also something demons can create

Delusion, seeing something that is not there.

Delusional. the behaviour of our enemy demons and the daily pattern of the opprressed.

deluded, never giving up trying to prove your right whether your right or wrong.
 

Lafftur

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Delusion:

1. A false belief that is resistant to confrontation with actual facts.

2. The state of being deluded or misled, or process of deluding somebody.

3. That which is falsely or delusively believed or propagated; false belief; error in belief.

4. A fixed, false belief, that will not change, despite evidence to the contrary.
Hmmm….very rinteresting….:unsure:

Sounds like PRIDE is not only deaf and blind but also very delusional.

Truly, just to humble oneself under God, repent, and seek Him with all our heart and mind, and soul and strength is best! :love:(y)
 

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Actually, if one is already at the point of biting their tongue….it’s probably too late! Lol! :giggle:

No need to bite our tongue if we have guarded our hearts correctly…..for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
 
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I guess I've got a defective heart...I've been dismayed at what can come out after it's squeezed hard enough! Sigh!
 

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well then, now that we are all happily speaking in tongues, (tongue in cheek no pun intended...maybe), what about paying some attention to the instructions given by Paul? you know....like right way/wrong way

other things to ponder: why do we need instructions?

and what other roles does the Spirit of God play in our lives?

for starters
 
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Learn Greek? I'll leave that to others. I'd rather play my guitar and sing...
"I'm thirsty, Lord, well I'm thirsty, Lord, yes I'm thirsty, Lord, for Your living water of life!"
But that's just me. Lol

no it's not just you LOL!

and haha too ;)


1As the deer pants for streams of water,
so my soul longs after You, O God.
2My soul thirsts for God, the living God.
When shall I come and appear in God’s presence
3My tears have been my food
both day and night,
while men ask me all day long,
“Where is your God?”
4These things come to mind as I pour out my soul:
how I walked with the multitude,
leading the procession to the house of God
with shouts of joy and praise.

Psalm 42