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Grandpa said:
Obedient to the law of God.

Which Law of God exactly?

And how is it NOT works of the law?
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The Ten Commandment, the two that if we practice will fulfill them, knowing that as we walk in the Spirit the Spirit will fulfill the righteousness of the law.

It has nothing to do with work, it is about being obedience to the law of God. There is a commandment, to love God, are you obedient to that law? If yes, are you working? No, because you are just being obedient to the law of God, right?
 
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It do not like to use the word trinity because it gives the impression of a polytheistic view of God if not explain correctly. Yeshus was brought forth according the Scriptures, therefore, he is of the essence of the one who brought him forth, there he is God the Son and that is what the Pharisee understood when he said he was the son of God. I think I answer the question, but I will give you a visual example, put up three fingers, that is the one God. The Father sits on the Throne, do Son sits at his right hand and the Spirit of God is here teaching and directing up in the path for righteousness.

Did I answer your question or is that a question to say, so if Yeshua is God then Yeshua said and you will follow with something.
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No you did not answer my question, and I did not use the word trinity, you just opened with it before a long, vague and indirect "answer"...😅

I figured you would respond like this, but I asked hoping to be wrong.
 
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Grandpa said:
Obedient to the law of God.

Which Law of God exactly?

And how is it NOT works of the law?
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He does not grasp the fact the law requires perfection
that’s why he can not grasp that he is unable to keep the law as required and is unable to see how we become obedient children who by nature obey gods commands
 
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OneOfHis said:
No you did not answer my question, and I did not use the word trinity, you just opened with it before a long, vague and indirect "answer"...😅

I figured you would respond like this, but I asked hoping to be wrong.
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Seems to be habit of some
 
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OneOfHis said:
No you did not answer my question, and I did not use the word trinity, you just opened with it before a long, vague and indirect "answer"...😅

I figured you would respond like this, but I asked hoping to be wrong.
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OneOfHis said:
No you did not answer my question, and I did not use the word trinity, you just opened with it before a long, vague and indirect "answer"...😅

I figured you would respond like this, but I asked hoping to be wrong.
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I first use trinity because, I do not like that word, though I believe that within the nature of the one God three persons are present, Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. The fact is I answered you, I do not duck any question.
 
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OneOfHis said:
No you did not answer my question, and I did not use the word trinity, you just opened with it before a long, vague and indirect "answer"...😅

I figured you would respond like this, but I asked hoping to be wrong.
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You figure nothing, you got your answer, do you disagree with my view of Yeshua and if not why? You make a comment, but cannot respond just like eternally-gratefull, unless you are both together.
 
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I first use trinity because, I do not like that word, though I believe that within the nature of the one God three persons are present, Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. The fact is I answered you, I do not duck any question.
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Well I agree that Jesus is God and has been since the beginning.

When I usually talk to people who focus more on laws which ought not to be focused on by those under grace, they deny Jesus is God.

They also often are very confused about many aspects of the gospel. (good news... saved by grace through faith appart from works of righteousness we do or merit unto eternal life)


I am sorry if I misunderstood your original post as a side step.
 
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You figure nothing, you got your answer, do you disagree with my view of Yeshua and if not why? You make a comment, but cannot respond just like eternally-gratefull, unless you are both together.
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I did figure something.🤔

Your view of Jesus is that He is God and has been God always if I understood your second post correctly.

We would agree on that.👍
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Seems to be habit of some
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Apparently you have not learned as I previously stated GROW UP. I can see he is another you, he got his answer clearly and anyone that read with comprehension will acknowledge that I gave him an answer and was clear. I hope he is not like you a narcissistic person. Again, GROW UP and as I previously stated, YOU ARE A LIAR and I previously gave you my reasons why I called you a liar. Everyone knows you already, I am not the only one that read your past post. I will do the same with one of his.

Look at the name guys like you use...

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eternally-grateful

Identifying your name with Yeshua does not mean anything, the question is do you have a relation with God in Yeshua, don't answer.

By the way, my name has nothing to do with the Sabbath, that was a name given to me at a young age, just in case you question it.

Again, GROW UP!
 
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Apparently you have not learned as I previously stated GROW UP. I can see he is another you, he got his answer clearly and anyone that read with comprehension will acknowledge that I gave him an answer and was clear. I hope he is not like you a narcissistic person. Again, GROW UP and as I previously stated, YOU ARE A LIAR and I previously gave you my reasons why I called you a liar. Everyone knows you already, I am not the only one that read your past post. I will do the same with one of his.

Look at the name guys like you use...

oneofhis
unitedwithchrist
eternally-grateful

Identifying your name with Yeshua does not mean anything, the question is do you have a relation with God in Yeshua, don't answer.

By the way, my name has nothing to do with the Sabbath, that was a name given to me at a young age, just in case you question it.

Again, GROW UP!
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Eg and I have had some heated arguments.
But we are bothers in Christ.

We disagree on some things.


Your original answer does not seem clear to me still, wether you insult my comprehension or not.


Your insults to eg are false accusations at best though from my experience with him. He has allowed even those half his age to correct him and will admit his error if someone brings a new answer that rings true.
 
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OneOfHis said:
Well I agree that Jesus is God and has been since the beginning.

When I usually talk to people who focus more on laws which ought not to be focused on by those under grace, they deny Jesus is God.

They also often are very confused about many aspects of the gospel. (good news... saved by grace through faith appart from works of righteousness we do or merit unto eternal life)


I am sorry if I misunderstood your original post as a side step.
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I apologize to you because I at one point thought you and that eternally-grateful who needs to GROW UP, who even gave you a thumbs up were together.

So, we both understand each other. The topic is the law, I do not impose it on anyone, I put it on the table it is not my job to convince anyone. I do make it clear that I am obedient to the Ten Commandments, but my relationship is not with the commandments, the commandment does not save me, nor does it make me God's righteousness. My relationship is with God in Yeshua and I am made God's righteousness in Yeshua apart from the law. I am clear, but Gentile believers immediately assume because I am obedient to the law of God I am working for salvation and that I never stated. But they will be obedient to the law of God where it says do not commit adultery and they won't apply the same response to themselves.
 
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Apparently you have not learned as I previously stated GROW UP. I can see he is another you, he got his answer clearly and anyone that read with comprehension will acknowledge that I gave him an answer and was clear. I hope he is not like you a narcissistic person. Again, GROW UP and as I previously stated, YOU ARE A LIAR and I previously gave you my reasons why I called you a liar. Everyone knows you already, I am not the only one that read your past post. I will do the same with one of his.

Look at the name guys like you use...

oneofhis
unitedwithchrist
eternally-grateful

Identifying your name with Yeshua does not mean anything, the question is do you have a relation with God in Yeshua, don't answer.

By the way, my name has nothing to do with the Sabbath, that was a name given to me at a young age, just in case you question it.

Again, GROW UP!
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Now you are officially on report
 
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I apologize to you because I at one point thought you and that eternally-grateful who needs to GROW UP, who even gave you a thumbs up were together.

So, we both understand each other. The topic is the law, I do not impose it on anyone, I put it on the table it is not my job to convince anyone. I do make it clear that I am obedient to the Ten Commandments, but my relationship is not with the commandments, the commandment does not save me, nor does it make me God's righteousness. My relationship is with God in Yeshua and I am made God's righteousness in Yeshua apart from the law. I am clear, but Gentile believers immediately assume because I am obedient to the law of God I am working for salvation and that I never stated. But they will be obedient to the law of God where it says do not commit adultery and they won't apply the same response to themselves.
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But you also admit though you try your best to follow the law, you do fail right?

From your words I believe I understand you are saying you are not under it.... but when you say you are obedient to it.... you know that isn't 100% true right?
 
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OneOfHis said:
Eg and I have had some heated arguments.
But we are bothers in Christ.

We disagree on some things.


Your original answer does not seem clear to me still, wether you insult my comprehension or not.


Your insults to eg are false accusations at best though from my experience with him. He has allowed even those half his age to correct him and will admit his error if someone brings a new answer that rings true.
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Just like you I apologize because you mistakenly stated something that you yourself apologize. So, we apologized to each other, you are correct whether I am a jewish believer in Messiah, putting the law in its right perspective as you know now what I believe and you a Gentile believer if you are a Gentile, we are one in Yeshua, no Jews, Gentiles or Greeks in Yeshua.
 
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OneOfHis said:
Eg and I have had some heated arguments.
But we are bothers in Christ.

We disagree on some things.


Your original answer does not seem clear to me still, wether you insult my comprehension or not.


Your insults to eg are false accusations at best though from my experience with him. He has allowed even those half his age to correct him and will admit his error if someone brings a new answer that rings true.
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This is beyond a disagreement
It left that place awhile ago
 
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But you also admit though you try your best to follow the law, you do fail right?

From your words I believe I understand you are saying you are not under it.... but when you say you are obedient to it.... you know that isn't 100% true right?
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This was my point from the beginning and what started this whole mess
 
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OneOfHis said:
But you also admit though you try your best to follow the law, you do fail right?

From your words I believe I understand you are saying you are not under it.... but when you say you are obedient to it.... you know that isn't 100% true right?
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I ask God every day to put away my sins and remember them no more as he cleans me with the blood of Yeshua.

As I stated, I am obedient to the law of God (Ten Commandments), the law of sacrifice in done once and for all in Yeshua. The curse of the law Yeshua took it to the cross. I do not mix up the Law with the Gospel of Salvation, I am not like those in Acts 15:1. I am obedient to the law as you are obedient to law of God. Yeshua said look at a woman with lust and you commit adultery, that is the law, but he elaborated on it. You are obedient the that law, right? If you commit adultery you were disobedient to God's law, right? Nothing to do with one being made God's righteousness, all to do with obedience. Why the law does not save? Because God through the law is only telling us what we should do and what we should refrain from, so we need to be obedient to God's word which you will agree with.

So, I am not under the law like believe and keep it to be save, nor do I talk about the law when ministering the Gospel of Salvation. We become saved then we just learn to be obedient to God's words as we seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness. My relationship as stated is not with the law, therefore, how can I be under the law? I am just obedient to God's laws.

About 100%, the law is all about obedient, you commit adultery the Spirit of God convicts you of adultery (law), he brings you to repentance, as you can see through the schoolmaster the Spirit of God brought us to repentance, it did nothing else. David, fell, breaking practically all the commandment with one sin and it was through repentance that he was forgiven.

The Apostle Paul was correcting in Galatians 3:1-5, they had the law, but he tells them you started in the Spirit now you are going back (I am putting it in my words). So, I am not under the law as the pharisees made it to be, nor some nowadays make it to be.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
This is beyond a disagreement
It left that place awhile ago
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I see that you had problems with eternally-gratefull and I called him out how he is prior to even knowing others had problems with him. It is okay to disagree, but it is important to read and I believe that is the problem with him, he hates to read and appears to have a narcissistic disordered behavior.

I have no problem discussing anything with him, but he needs to read and talk respectfully.
 
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this is what happens when you do not understand the law
 
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