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The pattern that is prevalent is that transgender inclinations appear to begin at a very early age. Many they remember wanting to be the opposite sex since they were 5 or even 4 years of age. Something happened at a very early developmental stage that the individual has no recollection of prior to let's say 4 years of age.
Perhaps a mom playfully dressing up her little boy in girlie clothes or fondling her little fellow as she bathed him. Or worse ridiculing him and shaming him for whatever reason.
Perhaps a mom playfully dressing up her little boy in girlie clothes or fondling her little fellow as she bathed him. Or worse ridiculing him and shaming him for whatever reason.
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I'm still unsure about this aspect of it all. I do agree that it all must be done with respect, we all deserve that, imho, because we were all created in the image of God.
But I hesitate to use the pronouns that they inaccurately apply to themselves for several reasons. One is that is simply untrue. Remaining truthful is important to me.
Another reason is that it seems to perpetuate the, what I believe, delusion. I think that it's harmful psychologically and spiritually to affirm the delusion rather than help them see their own delusional state. I could understand how a psychiatrist/psychologist might use a modality method that includes "playing along" with a patient delusion until certain patterns emerge that can be utilized later to help dismantle the delusion... but I'm not a mental health professional.
Also, if the individual is claiming to be following Christ, I don't know any Scripture that really addresses this type of situation. I know that Jesus did interact with people that were "worldly"... "tax collectors and sinners"... but the closest thing to delusional folks that I could think of would be people that had unclean spirits; again, I have no experience with that type of thing. But there is Scripture that calls (some) Christians to confront sin in the congregation.
So, all in all, I'm left flat-footed on this issue?
But I hesitate to use the pronouns that they inaccurately apply to themselves for several reasons. One is that is simply untrue. Remaining truthful is important to me.
Another reason is that it seems to perpetuate the, what I believe, delusion. I think that it's harmful psychologically and spiritually to affirm the delusion rather than help them see their own delusional state. I could understand how a psychiatrist/psychologist might use a modality method that includes "playing along" with a patient delusion until certain patterns emerge that can be utilized later to help dismantle the delusion... but I'm not a mental health professional.
Also, if the individual is claiming to be following Christ, I don't know any Scripture that really addresses this type of situation. I know that Jesus did interact with people that were "worldly"... "tax collectors and sinners"... but the closest thing to delusional folks that I could think of would be people that had unclean spirits; again, I have no experience with that type of thing. But there is Scripture that calls (some) Christians to confront sin in the congregation.
So, all in all, I'm left flat-footed on this issue?
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Ted01,
In an effort to answer your question let me present a scenario followed by
some questions.
Let us say there is a young woman attending your church. She is an adherent. You have known her for let's say 4 years. You of course have always called her Donna. You find her quite attractive and easy to talk to.
There is a trust and confidence that has been established. Not a relationship, just a solid mutual respectful admiration for each other.
Donna is 41. One day in confidence she reveals to you that she transitioned as a male at the age of 20. The transition was very successful and Donna passes very well.
What thoughts would go through your mind? Would you feel betrayed? Would you feel she is dillusional? Would you start using male pronouns? Would you feel uncomfortable called her Donna? Would this change how you related to "her"?
Please limit your response to the questions I've asked for now.
In an effort to answer your question let me present a scenario followed by
some questions.
Let us say there is a young woman attending your church. She is an adherent. You have known her for let's say 4 years. You of course have always called her Donna. You find her quite attractive and easy to talk to.
There is a trust and confidence that has been established. Not a relationship, just a solid mutual respectful admiration for each other.
Donna is 41. One day in confidence she reveals to you that she transitioned as a male at the age of 20. The transition was very successful and Donna passes very well.
What thoughts would go through your mind? Would you feel betrayed? Would you feel she is dillusional? Would you start using male pronouns? Would you feel uncomfortable called her Donna? Would this change how you related to "her"?
Please limit your response to the questions I've asked for now.
most children suffer from sexual abuse at an early age and don't remember. The point is the are children's parents are to redirect and reinforce right thinking not cuddle and support false narratives of identity. Mothers are the number one person who allow this to happen. HBO did a special on this and it was removed because it made the mother look stupid.
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announce & plan a meeting on all sin having to do with transgenderism.
respond with a loving words with mainly teaching how that behavior is sinful & wrong & that they won't be going to heaven committing willful sin. speak this without angry dissatisfied facial expressions. i say the 1st time a couple walks into church don't say anything or approach them. certainly have pamphlets on the subject & try to hand them out with a caring smile after church service. invite them to a meeting on the issue. they must be taught, with the holy Spirit's guidance, that that sin is against the Lord & it will obviate them from entering heaven. by course, no murmuring, gossiping or looks! NEVER ALLOW THE YOUNG TO ASSOCIATE WITH SINNERS!!!!!!!! a private bathroom, not the regular men's & women's rooms. NO BAPTISM! you have to believe as a Christian to be born again & baptized. none of, "i believe this but not that, i don't do this but i'll do that". that's not Christian: (James 2:10)! no membership or teaching. you can't rightfully teach when your actions are against what is taught in a Christian church. ask the couple to please not act lovingly in any way as that's about the worst kids could see.
respond with a loving words with mainly teaching how that behavior is sinful & wrong & that they won't be going to heaven committing willful sin. speak this without angry dissatisfied facial expressions. i say the 1st time a couple walks into church don't say anything or approach them. certainly have pamphlets on the subject & try to hand them out with a caring smile after church service. invite them to a meeting on the issue. they must be taught, with the holy Spirit's guidance, that that sin is against the Lord & it will obviate them from entering heaven. by course, no murmuring, gossiping or looks! NEVER ALLOW THE YOUNG TO ASSOCIATE WITH SINNERS!!!!!!!! a private bathroom, not the regular men's & women's rooms. NO BAPTISM! you have to believe as a Christian to be born again & baptized. none of, "i believe this but not that, i don't do this but i'll do that". that's not Christian: (James 2:10)! no membership or teaching. you can't rightfully teach when your actions are against what is taught in a Christian church. ask the couple to please not act lovingly in any way as that's about the worst kids could see.
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