Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil and being Joint Heirs with Christ.

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Magenta

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Well you know as well as I do that’s deep and some might not consider things like that, nonetheless rather young or old there’s one thing that stands out in scripture as far as the creation of man. that is at some movement in the past man became a living soul thus set apart from anything else created.
The same breath of life that animates us animates animals also :)

The word soul in Hebrew is nephesh, meaning “an animated, breathing, conscious, and
living being.” The Hebrew word for spirit is ruach, which means “wind, breath, air, spirit.”
 
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The same breath of life that animates us animates animals also :)

The word soul in Hebrew is nephesh, meaning “an animated, breathing, conscious, and
living being.” The Hebrew word for spirit is ruach, which means “wind, breath, air, spirit.”
And I think the difference is animals where not created in God’s likeness as humans where
 
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I think scripture speaks of the difference
Gen 1

Animals created according to their kinds.

25God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that crawls upon the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Man created according to

26Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.”
 

oyster67

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It was necessary that the GE tree be there. God did not want to spend eternity with a glorified rock collection. We are all graced with the wonderful choice to love, serve, and walk with Him for the rest of our days and then on through eternity. PTL! Thank you Jesus for that cleansing blood. If you have not done so, surrender completely and totally to Him today.:)
 
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It was necessary that the GE tree be there. God did not want to spend eternity with a glorified rock collection. We are all graced with the wonderful choice to love, serve, and walk with Him for the rest of our days and then on through eternity. PTL! Thank you Jesus for that cleansing blood. If you have not done so, surrender completely and totally to Him today.:)
Rgr that,

though the Opel is quite the amazing stone some have what appears to be a incapacitated space nebula inside it hehe. I agree with your analogy of the stone also

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oyster67

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I like animals too, but I don't think they can be enabled by the Holy Spirit's power to break engrained bad habits (addictions, if you will) like people can. I can only teach my half feral cat so much. I do hope to see them in heaven. The lion and the lamb resting under the shade of a big dinosaur.:)
 

Magenta

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I like animals too, but I don't think they can be enabled by the Holy Spirit's power to break engrained bad habits (addictions, if you will) like people can. I can only teach my half feral cat so much. I do hope to see them in heaven. The lion and the lamb resting under the shade of a big dinosaur.:)
My daughter has domesticated more than one feral cat... Her one previously feral cat is by all accounts the nicest cat they have ever had (and they have had many pets over the years :D).
 

Magenta

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I asked God about that chapter and He told me something different. The tree is allegorical. Separation happens from being taught right from wrong, like we train a pet. Then when doing wrong, what will always happen, guilt occurs. Guilt is the fruit of knowing right from wrong. Forgiveness is what restores us. Having a clear conscience helps us hear God clearly. The lesson is spiritually discerned. There are factual parts but the tree is a fable.
I prefer the world allegory :D As in, the Tree of Life was a type of Christ :) Or Him. The True Vine :)
 
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might be and another could be fear
There is no fear in God and there is no condemnation. All of that comes from the devil: "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." (John 10:10) Psalm 139:16 tells us that God writes the book of our life before we are even born. Before we even make it to the womb He has determined the life that He wants us to live. We need to develop our gifts, talents and abilities to bring him praise, honor and glory. He is cheering us on and encouraging us to tell us we can do what He created us to do and we can be the people he always intended for us to be. It is the devil that is negative and he wants to tear people down to destroy the and tell them they are worthless and no go.
 
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My daughter has domesticated more than one feral cat... Her one previously feral cat is by all accounts the nicest cat they have ever had (and they have had many pets over the years
We had 12 cats here at one time. The neighbors were really upset about it. The mother was putting out a litter of six kittens every 5 months. We trapped and got 7 of them fixed so they would not reproduce. women on facebook said she trapped the mother and got her fixed and put her out of business. They use to eat the rabbits that were living under the sheds. We actually had a rabbit over population before the cats started to multiply. The little runt kitten use to go down the rabbit hole and chase the rabbits out. I have thousands of photos on my computer that I took of them one summer. It was a lot of fun.
 

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There is no fear in God and there is no condemnation. All of that comes from the devil: "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." (John 10:10) Psalm 139:16 tells us that God writes the book of our life before we are even born. Before we even make it to the womb He has determined the life that He wants us to live. We need to develop our gifts, talents and abilities to bring him praise, honor and glory. He is cheering us on and encouraging us to tell us we can do what He created us to do and we can be the people he always intended for us to be. It is the devil that is negative and he wants to tear people down to destroy the and tell them they are worthless and no go.
I like that my friend good post.
 

DeighAnn

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Some people say the issue is: It is good to do what God says to do and not good to disobey God. The story of Satan seems to go back 200 billion years to Pangaea when the dinosaurs began to devour each other. We are told that Satan got thrown out of Heaven along with a third of the angles that followed him in his rebellion. "Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth." (Rev12:4) So we are told that the serpent wanted to destroy God's creation. Murder goes back long before Adam and Eve. The bodies we find were killed from a crushed skull with a rock or they find a arrow head or spear in them. Cheddar man is an example of this. Cain talks about this when he says: " whoever finds me will kill me.” Genesis 4:5) Sort of makes me wonder why people think Adam and Eve were the only people on the earth when clearly this is not the case. It would seem clear that sin or willful disobedience entered the world though Adam and death from sin. "just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin" (Romans 5:12)
Posts like this make me wish there was an " I agree and don't agree button". It wasn't a willful disobedience, it was a seduced into sin by the by that old serpent, the dragon. The same one coming again.

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
1818 expatao - to seduce wholly, deceive

Which is going to happen again, just on a mass scale. And just like God told Adam, He has told us.

Ezekiel 13:7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?
Ezekiel 13:8 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 13:9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 13:10 Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:
Ezekiel 13:11 Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it.
Ezekiel 13:12 Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it?


Sad how God pours out His will for us, His way, His Plan and we don't seem to grasp it. He gives us the play book, tells will exactly how everything is going to happen, but if you don't make Gods Will, the will for your life, it is so hard to see. Could you imagine if we all did? Where there is just ONE WILL, there is peace. There is no controversy. No debate. There is but peace and harmony. How I pray that all step into Gods will before

Revelation 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Revelation 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
 

DeighAnn

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My daughter has domesticated more than one feral cat... Her one previously feral cat is by all accounts the nicest cat they have ever had (and they have had many pets over the years :D).
Every night for three weeks I sat in a parking lot, trying to catch a kitten. I would have to keep the other bigger cats away to make sure she got the food. Finally, snapped that cage door shut and brought here home. Stuck her in a big old cage for a couple days. Then I took her out for a spin around the house and put her back. I had to dogs so I had to be careful. About 10 minutes later she was on the couch with me, walked right through the bars:D Anyway took her to the vet, turns out she was about two years old. Doc said was lucky to be alive. I guess I started feed her at the right time. Anyway, one of the BEST and friendliest cats I ever had... I miss her. Turned out to be a great hunter, once she got healthy. I highly recommend them.
 

Nehemiah6

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The tree also doesn't seem to be a bad thing, humans couldn’t eat from it but nothing said animals couldn’t
The animals were OUTSIDE the Garden of Eden. This garden-orchard was strictly fro humans. The Serpent sneaked in.
 
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Posts like this make me wish there was an " I agree and don't agree button". It wasn't a willful disobedience, it was a seduced into sin by the by that old serpent, the dragon. The same one coming again.

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
1818 expatao - to seduce wholly, deceive

Which is going to happen again, just on a mass scale. And just like God told Adam, He has told us.

Ezekiel 13:7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?
Ezekiel 13:8 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 13:9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 13:10 Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:
Ezekiel 13:11 Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it.
Ezekiel 13:12 Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it?


Sad how God pours out His will for us, His way, His Plan and we don't seem to grasp it. He gives us the play book, tells will exactly how everything is going to happen, but if you don't make Gods Will, the will for your life, it is so hard to see. Could you imagine if we all did? Where there is just ONE WILL, there is peace. There is no controversy. No debate. There is but peace and harmony. How I pray that all step into Gods will before

Revelation 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Revelation 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
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Hmm not quite getting the same one coming again who’s coming again?
 
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The animals were OUTSIDE the Garden of Eden. This garden-orchard was strictly fro humans. The Serpent sneaked in.
U think hmm,

well I mentioned that because scripture says every tree in the garden was pleasant to look at and eat. God only said man can’t eat from that certain tree in the garden, and a God brought animals to Adam in the garden to name
 

DeighAnn

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Hmm not quite getting the same one coming again who’s coming again?
Satan, the hour of tribulation.
 

Magenta

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We had 12 cats here at one time. The neighbors were really upset about it. The mother was putting out a litter of six kittens every 5 months. We trapped and got 7 of them fixed so they would not reproduce. women on facebook said she trapped the mother and got her fixed and put her out of business. They use to eat the rabbits that were living under the sheds. We actually had a rabbit over population before the cats started to multiply. The little runt kitten use to go down the rabbit hole and chase the rabbits out. I have thousands of photos on my computer that I took of them one summer. It was a lot of fun.
Every night for three weeks I sat in a parking lot, trying to catch a kitten. I would have to keep the other bigger cats away to make sure she got the food. Finally, snapped that cage door shut and brought here home. Stuck her in a big old cage for a couple days. Then I took her out for a spin around the house and put her back. I had to dogs so I had to be careful. About 10 minutes later she was on the couch with me, walked right through the bars:D Anyway took her to the vet, turns out she was about two years old. Doc said was lucky to be alive. I guess I started feed her at the right time. Anyway, one of the BEST and friendliest cats I ever had... I miss her. Turned out to be a great hunter, once she got healthy. I highly recommend them.
Sweet! Animals respond so wonderfully to care and attention... I have seen some heartbreaking cases on the tube of abused and neglected/abandoned animals, but given time and love they often overcome great odds to survive and thrive :D My daughter's cat is quite the hunter also! Loves to escape the house and catch rats to bring in as presents (and/or eat) LOL. Before he was allowed into the house at large, he was kept confined in the garage where he had been accidentally trapped (he used to sneak in to eat one of the other cat's food ;))... he would fetch the toy mouse every single time you threw or hid it somewhere and drop it at your feet so you could toss it again for him. My current cat is a rescue :)



^ ^ Luna :)
 

DeighAnn

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The animals were OUTSIDE the Garden of Eden. This garden-orchard was strictly fro humans. The Serpent sneaked in.
Weren't there beasts of the field (wild animals) for hunting and stuff, and later, didn't God bring domestic animals into the garden for Adam to name and use in farming and for food?
 
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This is the verse I read in gen 2

19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and He brought them to the man to see what he would name each one. And whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.