If folks would ever get the picture of how dangerous a false pre-trib rapture would be, then maybe they would take the time to really see what the bible is saying about the return of Christ to gather the church. The biggest lie spread by the false pre-trib rapture folks is that the tribulation is the wrath of God and that during the tribulation period, after the church is gone(according to them) vast numbers of people will be saved. They have to claim vast numbers of folks are saved during the tribulation in order to maintain the false pre-trib rapture because Rev tells us of vast numbers of Christians who came through the great tribulation. Of course it would be easier to just believe the church has to go through the tribulation as Jesus taught, but they will have none of that. Anyway, here is the pre-trib scenario, just before the Antichrist and the tribulation appear and begin, the church will be raptured, all the Christians will be GONE. Now the Antichrist begins his reign and demands that EVERYONE take the mark of the Beast, since there are no Christians left(according to pre-trib), and ONLY Christians will refuse to take the mark, therefore everyone in the world takes the mark. Also, after one takes the mark they cannot be saved. So we have a real problem here for an honest person, how do you get vast numbers of saved persons out of a world that contains only people that have the mark of the Beast??? You don't of course because the tribulation saints in Rev 7 were saints before the tribulation and did not get gathered until AFTER the tribulation.
So much wrong here......Every time we answer you ignore the posts that prove your posts wrong, you just skip the posts that prove your thinking wrongheaded. But I will try once more.
1. No one I know says that vast numbers of people will be saved. We only say that the Remnant of the Church (Rev. 12) which means small part that is left, are the Christian Martyrs under the Alter in the 5th Seal. Israel (Woman in Rev 12) Flees to the Wilderness where God protects them, they accept Jesus as their Messiah, after the Rapture and before the Abomination of Desolation. So they are literally Christian themselves by this time, but still are referred to as Saints in Revelation. Noe show me where Revelation says vast numbers become Christians during the "Tribulation" period. It says vast numbers are killed, but the Anti-Christ kills off all Religions, the Church is gone, so most of the deaths will be Islam worshipers, along with Hindus and Buddhist etc. etc. He demands to be the ONLY GOD.
2. The whole 2000 year period between Jesus' death and the Rapture is tribulation, we go through trials and troubles, with Satan trying to ensnare us. The people in Heaven in Rev. chapter 7 came to heaven via the Rapture. Those killed after the Rapture must remain under the Alter until their fellow-servants are killed also. And they are judged in Rev. 20:4, whereas the Bride has already married the Lamb by this time.
3. Most of those people not Raptured will be Islamist, Buddhist, Hindus and people who hate God. They are not people trying to escape the Dragon and the Beast as you imply.....Rev 13:
4 [FONT="]And [/FONT][FONT="]they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast[/FONT][FONT="], saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[/FONT]And when they Two-Witnesses are killed.........Rev. 11:
10 [FONT="]And [/FONT][FONT="]they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry,[/FONT][FONT="] and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. (They Rejoice when the Two Witnesses are murdered.)[/FONT]
4. Your problem is you think the Church in Heaven in Rev. 7 got killed during the Seven Year Period when we know that is the Church that was Raptured.
Here is what really happens. The Church is Raptured, we go to Heaven to marry the Lamb. Some people do become Christians but there is 3 1/2 years of Peace, whereas you act like the Mark of the Beast all of the sudden gets passed out just after the Rapture, that is just not true. After the 3 1/2 years of Peace/Security, the Anti-Christs reign of Terror begins.
He Conquers Jerusalem, demands all Religions CEASE to exist, and he will kill anyone that will not worship him as GOD. So there will be no more Islam or any religion after this 3 1/2 year Mark. The Anti-Christ becomes the BEAST when he conquers Israel. (42 Months) This is when Israel flees to the Wilderness, having accepted Jesus as their Messiah about a month or two before the AoD. God protects them for 1260 days (42 Months).
Jesus opens the Seals......this just means God is allowing evil to come upon MANKIND.......That's all it means. Do you really not see that? A SEAL is opened means God allows EVIL to come upon mankind, whereas He has been blocking it for eons. This is the Lambs Wrath. The Trumpets are the Holy Spirits Wrath and the Vials are the Fathers Wrath. THUS all three are Gods Wrath.
The Day of the Lord starts with the First Seal and ends with Jesus destroying the Anti-Christ and his minions at the Seventh Vial. Remember, Joel says the Sun will be Darkened and the Moon will turn to Blood. When you study the 31 places that speaks of the day of the Lord, it is evident this is a short period of time, not a DAY.
