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InSpiritInTruth

InSpiritInTruth

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dalconn said:
So for the sake of confusion, you DO agree with the illustration that I posted?
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I believe the illustration you posted teaches confusion, what I posted in post #2 is as simple as it can be said. People who do not understand who the Son is tend to make it more confusing than it has to be.


What I said is shown here.... 1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

But even many will say "no" to this Truth as well because the Son has not been revealed in them.
 
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FreeNChrist

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yoninah said:
Well, I'll chip in my thoughts.

The word 'Trinity' is not 'Biblical'. The word used in the NT is translated 'Godhead'. A previous poster has already said this.

The NT writers clearly believed (as do I) that the Father is God, the Son, Jesus Christ is God and the Holy Spirit is God. They also believed that God is one God.

Then they went on to state various stuff about Father, Son and Holy Spirit, even at some points saying that One did the same as another One.

They didn't try - at any time - to define 'Godhead' (certainly not by the word 'Trinity'). They just spoke about it/Him (the Godhead word is not personal but a label although God is so I use both pronouns so you can use your preference).

Then came along the early Church fathers who found that this wasn't a very good state of affairs and began formulating theology and theory - instead of just accepting what the early Church believed. They then coined the translated word 'Trinity'.

And that's where it went very pear-shaped. It really would be much easier if we just talked about the Godhead and accepted what the NT says about it/Him without trying to go *too much* further.
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What word would you prefer for describing the triune nature of God?
 
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FreeNChrist

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InSpiritInTruth said:
I believe the illustration you posted teaches confusion, what I posted in post #2 is as simple as it can be said. People who do not understand who the Son is tend to make it more confusing than it has to be.


What I said is shown here.... 1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

But even many will say "no" to this Truth as well because the Son has not been revealed in them.
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There is nothing "simple" about understanding the nature of God. Which is why the language we use in trying to do so is so important.
 
Zmouth

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I would be interested in hearing someone explain how did they came to believe in the Trinity, did they hear about in Church or did they learn some other way?
 
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yoninah

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FreeNChrist said:
It does not describe His nature as 'Triune'.
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My original post on this subject is that the Biblical writers didn't refer to a definition to describe God except Godhead. It's best to read what I wrote there to save me repeating much in this post. They said 'Godhead' and described what the Godhead did/does and is. It was good enough for them. It's good enough for me.
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
What I said is shown here.... 1 John 5:7
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one."

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum

The Comma Johanneum (or Johannine Comma or Heavenly Witnesses) is a comma
(a short clause) in the First Epistle of John, 1 John 5:7–8.


The scholarly consensus is that that passage is a Latin corruption that entered
the Greek manuscript tradition in subsequent copies.
 
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FreeNChrist

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yoninah said:
My original post on this subject is that the Biblical writers didn't refer to a definition to describe God except Godhead. It's best to read what I wrote there to save me repeating much in this post. They said 'Godhead' and described what the Godhead did/does and is. It was good enough for them. It's good enough for me.
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And my question remains. Trinity is just a word for the Christian understanding of the triune nature of God. What word would you prefer? And Godhead won't cut it.
 
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yoninah

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FreeNChrist said:
And my question remains. Trinity is just a word for the Christian understanding of the triune nature of God. What word would you prefer? And Godhead won't cut it.
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It will. It's fine. And that will be as far as I go as we're going round in circles. The NT used 'Godhead', they didn't use 'Trinity'. I shall do the same. Thanks for the discussion...
 
InSpiritInTruth

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Zmouth said:
I would be interested in hearing someone explain how did they came to believe in the Trinity, did they hear about in Church or did they learn some other way?
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I was shown various Scriptures pointing to the fact that each Person was addressed as God either directly or indirectly.
 
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FreeNChrist

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Zmouth said:
I would be interested in hearing someone explain how did they came to believe in the Trinity, did they hear about in Church or did they learn some other way?
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For me it was seeing Jesus as God, just as it was for those very first Christians. It was Jesus revelation of Himself as God that neccessitated a drastic change in their thinking about the nature of God as it had been thought of up to that point.
 
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skylove7

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That's just sad people hatin' on Trinity
You would think they would use that negativity toward the devil where it belongs!
 
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sparkman

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yoninah said:
Well, I'll chip in my thoughts.

The word 'Trinity' is not 'Biblical'. The word used in the NT is translated 'Godhead'. A previous poster has already said this.

The NT writers clearly believed (as do I) that the Father is God, the Son, Jesus Christ is God and the Holy Spirit is God. They also believed that God is one God.

Then they went on to state various stuff about Father, Son and Holy Spirit, even at some points saying that One did the same as another One.

They didn't try - at any time - to define 'Godhead' (certainly not by the word 'Trinity'). They just spoke about it/Him (the Godhead word is not personal but a label although God is so I use both pronouns so you can use your preference).

Then came along the early Church fathers who found that this wasn't a very good state of affairs and began formulating theology and theory - instead of just accepting what the early Church believed. They then coined the translated word 'Trinity'.

And that's where it went very pear-shaped. It really would be much easier if we just talked about the Godhead and accepted what the NT says about it/Him without trying to go *too much* further.
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"Godhead" is an English word, and the Bible is written in Greek. Therefore, Godhead is not a biblical word either.

If you want to be precise, use the word theotēs. If you insist upon precision, then be fully precise. I know that KJV people insist on the word Godhead but the apostles didn't use King Jimmy..it didn't drop out of Jesus' sleeve as he ascended.

The word Trinity or Triune is a word used to confine a concept, so it is not wrong in itself. For example, we don't find the word Bible in the Bible either, but we know it's a "collection of 66 books that comprise the Old and New Testament canon". The Bible doesn't use the word Millennium either, but we know it refers to the "1000 year reign of Jesus Christ". If I held a similar position regarding those concepts, I'd simply use the phrases in quotes instead of the short descriptive word of Bible and Millennium. That would get tiring though.

Words which describe concepts are not wrong, else we need to revamp much of our vocabulary.

Rapture is another such word. The word actually comes from the Latin translation of the Greek word harpagisometha. Yet, we use the word Rapture in order to describe this concept, and not many people have problems with that.

Godhead is just an old English word. I personally don't like to use it and use Triune or Trinity. Also, it sounds nasty to me so I don't like to use it in reference to God. Triunity might be a better word but Trinity suits me fine. I don't cater to KJVers or cultists.
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
Perhaps this has not been revealed to you. :)

Matthew 11:27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
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God the Father,Jesus the Son and the Holy Ghost. That is what Scripture says.
 
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me too!..lol..me thinks he hath a forward spirit abouteth him ( just kidding Sparkman..playin' on a King Jimmie talk )
 
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kaylagrl

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Zmouth said:
I would be interested in hearing someone explain how did they came to believe in the Trinity, did they hear about in Church or did they learn some other way?
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Its in the Bible,three in one.The word trinity isn't in the Bible,but the concept is there. The Father,Son,Holy Spirit all referred to in the Word. All you got to do is read it for yourself.
 
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