Trinity haters on CC

[GodIsSalvation]

Yes Trinity concept is true. One God, One Word, One Spirit.

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Father is greater than the Son, just as a man is greater than his words, but the Son and Father are one just as a man, his word, and his breath are one. The Father is in the Son and the Son in the Father.

The Father formed the Word by his Spirit. So they are One. The divine conception of Jesus is a good illustration of this.

Luke 1:34-35

[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.


John 1:1-14


1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

The word atheist is not in the Bible either. Neither are chocolate and raspberries.

The word Bible is also not in the Bible

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

The New Testament was written in Greek, not Hebrew, and the word in Greek is Iēsous.

Some of it was written in Hebrew...

 

[valiant]

Some of it was written in Hebrew...

Apart from the odd word, none was written in Hebrew,

 

[valiant]

There are 7 spirits of GOD. Why isn't it called the Enneanity? :tongueincheek:

Because they are only angels?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

The word Bible is also not in the Bible

Lol yea it is. Word Bible means Books.

John 21:25

[SUP]25 [/SUP]And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

 

[Grace777x70]

Hebrews 10:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] "THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME (IN THE SCROLL OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME) TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.'"

Book = greek = [FONT="Galatia Sil" !important]βίβλος[/FONT] [FONT="Gentium" !important]biblos[/FONT]
Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Alpha-Gamma.

 

[BeyondET]

The New Testament was written in Greek, not Hebrew, and the word in Greek is Iēsous. The HRM assertion that it was written in Hebrew then translated into Greek is nonsense.

The authors of many of the books knew Jesus personally and used Iēsous so why would you have an issue with it? Do you know more than eyewitnesses who knew him personally?

This obsession with Jesus' name is pretty funny...some people even claim that the last part of the name refers to the pagan god Zeus

I don't have a issue with the name at all just saying, it all depends on who is talking a Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin, etc.. All these languages were around in those times and some being used in the area were Jesus lived.

Jesus lived not far from Sepphoris (Tzipori) a cosmopolitan city "the ornament of all Galilee." A Greek speaking person would have called Yeshua by Iesous in that period that is the translation as our own names today has a translation to other languages. his family,friends,disciples called him talked to him by his name in the language they spoke

in Mark 7:26 Jesus spoke to a Greek speaking woman and it is likely that he likewise spoke to Pilate in Greek verses mark 15:2-5,Matt 27:11-14,Luke23:3,John 18:33-38 and in Acts 6:1 speaks of multi language Jewish people who spoke Hebrew and Greek as well.

Jesus knew how to speak other languages as too a lot of people did when people of different languages live along side each other that was common as it is today. Jesus is the English translation I speak English so I say Jesus, the important thing to remember is its not all about the name it's all about the person who he was and what he did in his life for us.

he didn't live a life without childhood friends and as a teenager with friends or family members, even just someone he met on the streets and if they spoke Hebrew they would have called him Yeshua, spoke Greek Iesous, spoke Aramaic Eashoa M'sheekha and so on.... All having about the same meaning "the one" as today's English version of Jesus means, there's nothing upsetting about this fact at all we are humans with different languages.

 

[sparkman]

I don't have a issue with the name at all just saying, it all depends on who is talking a Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin, etc.. All these languages were around in those times and some being used in the area were Jesus lived.

Jesus lived not far from Sepphoris (Tzipori) a cosmopolitan city "the ornament of all Galilee." A Greek speaking person would have called Yeshua by Iesous in that period that is the translation as our own names today has a translation to other languages. his family,friends,disciples called him talked to him by his name in the language they spoke

in Mark 7:26 Jesus spoke to a Greek speaking woman and it is likely that he likewise spoke to Pilate in Greek verses mark 15:2-5,Matt 27:11-14,Luke23:3,John 18:33-38 and in Acts 6:1 speaks of multi language Jewish people who spoke Hebrew and Greek as well.

Jesus knew how to speak other languages as too a lot of people did when people of different languages live along side each other that was common as it is today. Jesus is the English translation I speak English so I say Jesus, the important thing to remember is its not all about the name it's all about the person who he was and what he did in his life for us.

he didn't live a life without childhood friends and as a teenager with friends or family members, even just someone he met on the streets and if they spoke Hebrew they would have called him Yeshua, spoke Greek Iesous, spoke Aramaic Eashoa M'sheekha and so on.... All having about the same meaning "the one" as today's English version of Jesus means, there's nothing upsetting about this fact at all we are humans with different languages.

OK I agree...yeah it doesn't matter.

 

[BeyondET]

Unaware of the use of old English letter “j” and “i” you have expressed your contempt to the KJV and presumed that the original KJV 1611 does not have it. You should have done more consultation and research on the subject.

The “j” was usually used as the capital form of the letter “i” in the Elizabethan alphabet. See the link as provided.

Old English Letters

Now, the further comments of the "copy -paste" in particular to Acts and Hebrews for Jesus or Joshua, as to whom is the giver of rest to Israel, the Bible is teaching readers about Jesus as the real “captain of the host” (Joshua 5:13-15) and “the captain of their salvation) (Heb. 2:10). Adopting your copy and paste view for the rendering of “Joshua”, blasphemously:

1.) denies the pre-incarnate Christ,
2.) ignores the underlying Greek word, which is the word used for Jesus throughout the New Testament, and
3.) ignores the contexts (in Acts and Hebrews) which are building up to and revealing to the Jews exactly WHO really lead them through the wilderness and WHO their true “captain” and Messiah is.

Further you should have to understand that the spiritual Rock which followed by Moses and the Israelites is no other than our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

interesting post indeed first I never mentioned the letter "i" as you stated I did, YOU said that not me nor did I mentioned I had contempt..
The Elizabethan alphabet wasn't around in Jesus times nor either England wasn't a nation with a language though Saxons lived there and spoke Germanic which was the beginning of today's English language if I'm not mistaken.

I will take fault for novelty copy n post a quote to show a example when I should of spoke for myself is my fault indeed but to excuse me of blasphemy of such because I speak of other languages being used to understand something is pretty harsh in my book.

it seems your implying that all English words used today to discribe scripture of past is the correct and only true meaning is that pride of your own language What about people of other languages if spoken different,...
are you saying its wrong To speak any language other than English/Greek when talking of the bible. Chinese,Japanese,German,French,Russian and so on....
Jesus reaches people of all languages and creeds for people around the world to know him in their own language and understandings, so everyone can have a relationship with Jesus. Even with each language back then and today use different words but still around the same meaning to discribe.

In Moses times God had not yet given his only son to the world yet "himself" as Grace forgiveness for our sins
Moses and others were under Law. The trinity as its called today was not formed yet until after Christ died.

My examples in nature of what this involves,
A mother pelican will rip her own skin off her body to feed her young when there's no food around so they won't starve and may live or some female spiders who it's new born first meal is her she gives her life for her young to live.
Basically that's what God did for us so we can have life with him in heaven. In my English concept Jesus is the flesh of God.

Surely this isn't scripture but to someone this may Help to understand and that's the end concept to know him period
don't put a lot of weight in correct language. It's better to know the Heart and Spirit of our maker and savior in the end
One may end up thinking he knows all the right words and meanings to everything but know nothing of the heart and soul.

 

[Bowman]

By the way I am not stating that an anti-Trinitarian is necessarily a false believer, as I was an anti-Trinitarian for a decade while saved.

If you denied God as Triune then you were NOT saved during that time.

Only Trinitarians are saved.

Only Trinitarians are true Christians.

 

[jaybird88]

If you denied God as Triune then you were NOT saved during that time.

Only Trinitarians are saved.

Only Trinitarians are true Christians.

where in the bible does Jesus teach on this? i would like to know more about it please.

 

[Goodnewsman]

The word "bible" is not in the bible either

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Lol yea it is. Word Bible means Books.

John 21:25

[SUP]25 [/SUP]And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

Hebrews 10:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] "THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME (IN THE SCROLL OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME) TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.'"

Book = greek = [FONT="Galatia Sil" !important]βίβλος[/FONT] [FONT="Gentium" !important]biblos[/FONT]
Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Alpha-Gamma.

Cool man. You learn something new every day

 

[BeyondET]

The word "bible" is not in the bible either

Interesting fact it appears the word Bible does not occur in Scriptures the English word Bible And Its origin is in the Greek word for the papyrus plant that the Egyptians used to make paper. The Greeks called the plant biblos and eventually writing products derived from the plant such as scrolls became known as biblos. There is even an ancient Phoenician city named "Byblos" whose name is derived from its extensive manufacturer and trade in writing materials. To invent the word Bible, scholars borrowed the plural Greek word "biblia" meaning scrolls, or little books and created the English word Bible

 

[Grace777x70]

And that settles it!..well done..I learned from this post...Thanks!

Interesting fact it appears the word Bible does not occur in Scriptures the English word Bible And Its origin is in the Greek word for the papyrus plant that the Egyptians used to make paper. The Greeks called the plant biblos and eventually writing products derived from the plant such as scrolls became known as biblos. There is even an ancient Phoenician city named "Byblos" whose name is derived from its extensive manufacturer and trade in writing materials. To invent the word Bible, scholars borrowed the plural Greek word "biblia" meaning scrolls, or little books and created the English word Bible

 

[wattie]

This may have already been covered, but one thing i always get caught with is when we call the persons of the trinity distinct it is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, but since all are one triune being God, how distinct are they really?

There are many verses where they do the same thing at the same time. Jesus is referred to as the Alpha and Omega as well as the Father. I guess there are three essences of God but i wouldn't say they are separated

 

[Bowman]

where in the bible does Jesus teach on this? i would like to know more about it please.

Example #1:

Because if you confess the Lord Jesus with your mouth, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.(Romans 10.9)


Who raised Jesus from the dead?

· God the Father… Acts 3.26; Eph 1.15-20; Gal 1.1; 1 Thes 1.9-10

· God the Son…John 2.19-22; 10.17-18; Romans 6.4

· God the Spirit…Romans 8.11; 1 Peter 3.18

· The Trinity…Romans 10.9; Peter 1.20-21; Hebrews 13.20-21; 1 Cor 6.14; Col 2.11-12; Acts 2.23-24; 2.32; 3.14-15; 13.30-37


Thus…you will be saved if you believe in The Triune God, as revealed in scripture.

Simple, Biblical truth.

 

[Crustyone]

I would probably be called a Trinity hater, but I don't think I am, as I believe in the Trinity, but not as a Trinity that has always existed. I only suspect, don't necessarily believe, that The Word was created and attained His Godhood from His creator afterward. Micah 5:2 says in some versions that The Word had an origin. Nothing can originate if it is already there.

 

[jaybird88]

Example #1:

Because if you confess the Lord Jesus with your mouth, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.(Romans 10.9)


Who raised Jesus from the dead?

· God the Father… Acts 3.26; Eph 1.15-20; Gal 1.1; 1 Thes 1.9-10

· God the Son…John 2.19-22; 10.17-18; Romans 6.4

· God the Spirit…Romans 8.11; 1 Peter 3.18

· The Trinity…Romans 10.9; Peter 1.20-21; Hebrews 13.20-21; 1 Cor 6.14; Col 2.11-12; Acts 2.23-24; 2.32; 3.14-15; 13.30-37


Thus…you will be saved if you believe in The Triune God, as revealed in scripture.

Simple, Biblical truth.

no where in any of that does Jesus say salvation is not obtainable if one does not accept the trinity.

from my understanding the trinity concept was just a way to explain the qualities of Jesus and was never a salvation issue.
i have read His teachings on salvation and i see nothing on accepting specific triune aspects.
IMO making this a salvation issue is taking the doctrine way to far.