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FollowerofShiloh

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That's just the particular copy that dates 4th century.

Do your homework.
It's Garbage to me. It talks about sprinkling for Baptism and Jesus was completely dunked and we see Jesus had Disciples Baptizing in River so they were not sprinkling water like the RCC does!!
 

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You said you don't think the early church fathers or the modern church were aligned with what was codified at Nicea. You haven't demonstrated or specified any difference yet.
I don't think the usage of words are the same.
 

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Where in the Bible do they use the word Eucharist at?

The first usage of the word Eucharist EVER SAID was well after 200 A.D.
This is not directly from the Apostles.
 

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It's Garbage to me. It talks about sprinkling for Baptism and Jesus was completely dunked and we see Jesus had Disciples Baptizing in River so they were not sprinkling water like the RCC does!!
Dude have you even read the didache?

It says running water immersion is preferred but it says if it isn't possible use these alternatives. That in and of itself is 100% anti-ritual, making concessions for what is practical - - - absolutely antithetical to classical RCC
 

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The Apostles did not sprinkle Baptism nor EVER use the word Eucharist because the first ever usage of the word did not happen until after 200 A.D. so the Didache is not from the Apostles, someone just said it is.
 

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Dude have you even read the didache?

It says running water immersion is preferred but it says if it isn't possible use these alternatives. That in and of itself is 100% anti-ritual, making concessions for what is practical - - - absolutely antithetical to classical RCC
Yeah I am a Jew and read everything and it's junk just like the Talmud.
 

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Eugenics is not a word found in the Bible either....doesn't mean it's not wrong.

"Amazing Grace" are two words not found together in scriptures but no one argues that this concept is wrong.

Why "Trinity" is so argued heavily against in concept or truth is that people are desperate for Jesus not to be God.
Because if Jesus is God incarnate...then they are in big trouble. Guilty of Blasphemy. Blasphemous statements involving God's name...and a LOT of other sins that the Old Testament Considered death penalty worthy....enough to keep them from ever gaining access to Heaven or be pleasing to God in any manner....they are a "doer of evil".
 

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Eugenics is not a word found in the Bible either....doesn't mean it's not wrong.

"Amazing Grace" are two words not found together in scriptures but no one argues that this concept is wrong.

Why "Trinity" is so argued heavily against in concept or truth is that people are desperate for Jesus not to be God.
Because if Jesus is God incarnate...then they are in big trouble. Guilty of Blasphemy. Blasphemous statements involving God's name...and a LOT of other sins that the Old Testament Considered death penalty worthy....enough to keep them from ever gaining access to Heaven or be pleasing to God in any manner....they are a "doer of evil".
Nothing man made is mentioned in the Bible but men still hold to the traditions even though Jesus commanded not to.

But nowhere did ever say God was not triune by Nature.

I just said how the Church Fathers described compared to the Nicene Creed and to the Modern Day terminology are different.
 

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The Apostles did not sprinkle Baptism nor EVER use the word Eucharist because the first ever usage of the word did not happen until after 200 A.D. so the Didache is not from the Apostles, someone just said it is.
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Now when Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John
2 (although Jesus himself did not baptize, but only his disciples)

They're compared to John baptizing who fully dunked in water.
So where does this false notion of sprinkling come about and falsely applied to the Apostles?
 

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The Apostles did not sprinkle Baptism nor EVER use the word Eucharist because the first ever usage of the word did not happen until after 200 A.D. so the Didache is not from the Apostles, someone just said it is.
2:42 And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers

κλάσει
breaking

τοῦ
of the

ἄρτου
bread

No usage of the word EUCHARIST here because that is not used until AFTER 200 A.D. some 175 years or more LATER!
 

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Now when Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John
2 (although Jesus himself did not baptize, but only his disciples)

They're compared to John baptizing who fully dunked in water.
So where does this false notion of sprinkling come about and falsely applied to the Apostles?
You clearly haven't even read the didache.

Does our scripture not say something about judging before you have even heard?

A true Jew.

And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whatever others can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before.
 

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You clearly haven't even read the didache.

Does our scripture not say something about judging before you have even heard?

A true Jew.

And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whatever others can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before.
I have read that and show me where it is listed in the New Testament?
 

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I just said how the Church Fathers described compared to the Nicene Creed and to the Modern Day terminology are different.
You"said" but you gave no explanation at all.

please give a specific example of what you are objecting to.
 

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9 And it came to pass in those days that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee and was baptized in the Jordan by John.
10 And immediately going up out of the water he saw the heavens rent


If Jesus had His Disciples baptizing it seems logical to believe He would have the Disciples baptize like Jesus Himself was baptized.