I do not want to debate a trinity or oneness,but I do believe in only one God with no distinction of persons,and I cannot be blamed because scriptures point me to that.
I believe there is only one God that is a Holy Spirit,and that is why the Spirit moved upon the face of the deep in creation,and Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit,and the Holy Spirit dwells in the saints.Father is a title for God,and the Son is the man Christ Jesus,who was conceived by the Holy Spirit.
I believe that Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,are not 3 persons in one God,but the 3 relationships that God has with His saints designated by titles.
Father-God's title for His parental role in our life.
Son-God's visible relationship to the saints.
Holy Spirit-God's invisible relationship to the saints.
Somebody that believes in a trinity,explain these things.
They say there is 3 persons in one God,so that means it would take all 3 persons to make one God,so you would not be able to call them God separately,but they say God the Father,God the Son,and God the Holy Spirit,which then they are saying there are 3 Gods.
Is it 3 persons in one God,or is it 3 Gods.3 persons in one God does not make sense,for if you say 3 persons they would have to be 3 Gods.
They calls Jesus,God the Son,so Jesus as God has to have a beginning,because son means to be begotten and have a father.
But the Bible says when the Son comes He will be from everlasting to everlasting,which means He will have no beginning(Micah 5:2).
If they say Jesus has no beginning,why is He called the Son.If they say Jesus is a created God by the Father,God said there was no God created before Him,and there will be no God created after Him.
If Jesus is God the Son walking on earth,then why was He conceived by the 3rd person of the trinity,the Holy Spirit,and the Bible never mentions God the Son.
Why does the Bible call the Son,the everlasting Father(Isaiah 9:6-7),and Philip asked Jesus to show them the Father and they would be satisfied,and Jesus said,I have been with you all this time and you do not know Me,he that has seen Me has seen the Father,it is the Father that dwells in Me,He does the works.
Jesus told the disciples that when He resurrects to heaven,for them to not ask Him anything,but only ask the Father and He will do it,but in another passage of scripture Jesus said when He resurrects to heaven to ask Him and He will do it.
In the Old Testament the Jews only believed in one God,the Father,and not 3 persons in one God,as it is to this day,and the Father was not angry for them believing that in the Old Testament.If there is a trinity why would God,the Father,allow them to believe He is the only God.
The New Testament says there is one God,the Father,and in another scripture,one God,and Father of all.Why would the Bible both Old Testament,and New Testament,ascribe the Father as being the only God.
The Bible says that the Son shall deliver up the kingdom to the Father,but in another passage of scripture it says that Jesus will present the Church to Himself.
When you view God as a trinity,there is contradictions in the Bible,but when you view God as one God with no distinction of persons,there is no contradictions.
Jesus is fully God and fully man,so He does not have a beginning according to His deity,but has a beginning according to His humanity,which the Bible says the Son was made according to the flesh,and made of a woman,made under the law.
God is in all,and through all.God's Spirit does not move around physical objects,but flows through them,for God occupies all space.
Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,which means God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated.In the Son,God manifest all His attributes,and in the saints He manifests partial attributes.
Jesus is conceived of the Holy Spirit,and the Spirit in Christ is connected to the omnipresent Spirit of Gd for God cannot be separated.Jesus does not have the Spirit in Him that moves around with Him,because the Spirit does not have to move for the Spirit is already there,and the same with us.
Since God occupies all space,and the Spirit cannot be separated,and does not have to move for the Spirit is already there,and God is in all,and through all,the Son and the saints have the Spirit that occupies the space they are at.
When Jesus was in the womb,He had the Spirit that occupied that space,but when He came out of the womb,the Spirit did not move with Him outside the womb,but then He had the Spirit that occupied the space outside the womb.If Jesus was standing at a certain location,He had the Spirit that occupies that location,but if He moved 10 feet away,He had the Spirit that occupied that space,for where ever Jesus was at,and we are at,the Spirit is there.We do not have our own personal Spirit that moves around with us,but we have the Spirit at whatever space we are at.The Spirit does not move with us,for the Spirit does not have to move,but we are moving through the Spirit as we walk,and where ever we move the Spirit is there.
Jesus is conceived by the Spirit,and the Spirit in Christ is connected the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated.Jesus is not a visible God that has His own personal Spirit,but the Spirit in Him is connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,and Jesus moves through the Spirit like the saints,so no matter where He moves and the saints move,the Spirit is there.The Spirit does not have to move,but we move through the Spirit.
Take a tub of water.It is the same substance throughout the tub.Put a glass at the bottom and it fills up with water.Move the glass one foot away,and it has the water that occupies that space.The water does not need to move with the glass,for one foot away the water is there.
God is an omnipresent Spirit,and Jesus moves through the Spirit,and where ever Jesus is at,He has the Spirit that occupies that space,the Spirit does not move with Him,for where ever Jesus is at,the Spirit is there.
Jesus is a visible manifestation of God,flesh robed around deity,but that deity is also around the flesh,and through the flesh,but that does not mean it is another God,but God showing a visible manifestation of Himself to provide salvation,and to have a visible relationship with the saints in heaven,which the throne in heaven is the throne of both God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
Some things that appear to point to a trinity,but is actually one God.
1.Baptism in the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost.It says name,not names,and those terms are titles not names.The name is Jesus.Jesus is the one that created all things,came in flesh,and dwells in the saints.Jesus told them to baptize in the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,to let them know He is the one true God,that created all things,came in flesh and works among them physically,and dwells in the saints,and works among them spiritually.
Luke said,that baptism should be done in Jesus' name.
In the book of Acts,Jews,Gentiles,and Samaritans,were all baptized in the name of Jesus.
All we do in word,or deed,we do in the name of Jesus.
There is no other name by which we are saved,but the name of Jesus.
In the Old Testament,the Father said,that one day He will speak to the Jews,and reveal His new name to them(Isaiah 52:6).Jesus said He came in His Father's name,manifested His Father's name,and declared the Father's name.
The Father's name is Jesus.
The Holy Spirit told Mary the Son's name will be Jesus,and the Son inherited the name from the Father(Hebrews 1:4).The prophet Agur asked the question,what is His name and His son's name,if you can tell(Proverbs 30:1-4).Since Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,it is the name of both God the Father,and the Son,the man Christ Jesus.
The Son's name is Jesus.
The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus(John 14:26).
2.Jesus at the right hand of God,which they believe that Jesus sits on a throne next the Father.
The Bible says there is only one throne in heaven(Revelation 4:2),and it is the throne of both God and the Lamb(Revelation 22:3).The only person we will see in heaven is Jesus,who is God in a visible manifestation,and God's visible relationship to the saints.
The Bible says,there is one God,and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus.The man Christ Jesus is our savior,because only a sinless man can approach a holy God on behalf of mankind.No man is sinless,so God manifest Himself in flesh,and reconciled mankind back to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,fully God and fully man in harmony.
God's right hand represents,power,authority,wisdom,and salvation.
Jesus said,all power is given to Me in heaven and earth.
David said,the LORD said unto my Lord,sit thou at My right hand until I make your enemies your footstool,and the Bible says the Son must reign until all His enemies are conquered,and then the Son shall submit to the Father,that God may be all in all.
Since the man Christ Jesus is our savior,He must reign until all His enemies are conquered,and we are with Him,and then Son will stop reigning that God may be all in all.
When the Bible says that Jesus sits at the right hand of God,that means that God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power,for a certain amount of time,when all His enemies are conquered,and the saints are with Him,and then the man Christ Jesus will stop exercising the throne of power,and God will be the only one ruling,,which God always rules.
Since Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,God is ruling through the man Christ Jesus for the sake of the saints.Jesus st the right hand of God is only a temporary role,and when the Son fulfills that role,then the Son will not rule,that God may be all in all.
3.Let us make man in our image.They believe this points to a trinity,but I believe it is a prophetic statement to the coming Son of God,God manifest in the flesh.
The Bible says that God calls things that have not happened yet,as though they already happened(Romans 4:17),for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future,it is the same as if it happened in the beginning,for it will surely come to pass with no hindrances.
The Old Testament says Adam was created in the image of God.The New Testament says Adam was made in the image of Christ(Romans 5:14).The image of God is the image of Christ.
God had the plan to come in the future in flesh,and created Adam in that image,an innocent nature in flesh.
Since God calls things that have not happened as though they already happened,the man Christ Jesus can be in the beginning before He is born.The Bible says that the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,although we know it did not happen until 4000 years later,so the man Christ Jesus was in the beginning before He was born,because God calls things that have not happened as though they already happened.
Since Adam was made in the image of Christ,then the Let us make man in our image has to include the man Christ Jesus,so I do not believe it points to a trinity,but is a prophetic statement to the coming Son of God,God manifest in the flesh,fully God and fully man,the man Christ Jesus.
If someone believes in a trinity there is contradictions,many of them,but if one believes in one God,the Father,all contradictions are gone.
With that many scriptures that seem to contradict a trinity,surely there cannot be a trinity.
Since God the Father allowed the Jews to believe that He is the only God,then everything in the Old Testament would be coming from Him.
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8 [/SUP]Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any(Isaiah 44:8).
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God(Isaiah 43:10-12).
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him(1 Corinthians 8:6).
There is only one God,the Father,who created all things,in which we are in God,and one visible manifestation of God,the Father,that is eternal,the Lord Jesus Christ,which is the whole purpose of God creating mankind(John 1:3,Revelation 4:11).
[SUP]6 [/SUP]One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all(Ephesians 4:6).
[SUP]7 [/SUP]If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake(John 14:7-11).
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this(Isaiah 9:6).
They say there is 3 persons in one God,so that means it would take all 3 persons to make one God,so you would not be able to call them God separately,but they say God the Father,God the Son,and God the Holy Spirit,which then they are saying there are 3 Gods.
Is it 3 persons in one God,or is it 3 Gods.3 persons in one God does not make sense,for if you say 3 persons they would have to be 3 Gods.
