-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
A
but VW its not the basics its the foundation: if God does not show us where we need to grow and give us His love then we can not become perfected in His love. If you are not continually speaking with God as asking how we can better become a perfect vessel or light to shine His love to the world, if we are not continuously chasten or corrected, then we are not abiding in the Holy Spirit. We are not perfect yet so we must always strive towards God by admitting our mistakes and asking for forgiveness and getting LOVE from GOD. We give love because we were first loved.
Some people reject the chastening and do not turn repent and ASK FOR FORGIVENESS. GOD loves us so forgives us, but we still have to confess, repent, and ask for forgiveness.
don't forget to read your Bible. your sister in christ.
Some people reject the chastening and do not turn repent and ASK FOR FORGIVENESS. GOD loves us so forgives us, but we still have to confess, repent, and ask for forgiveness.
don't forget to read your Bible. your sister in christ.
Therefore, leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith towards God, of instruction about washings, and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. And this we shall do, if God permits.
Perfection is already ours, in our new birth. We are born of God, sinless. Yes, we still have sin. That is the sin that dwells in the flesh, which is already dead. But, what of our souls, the part of us that comes to God for judgment and correction? How does God change us into His image? It is His glory, and His love, both growing in us and changing us into His image, by His presence.
Jesus, praying to His Father, asks this:
And the glory which Thou hast given Me I have given to them; that they may be one, just as We are one; I in them, and Thou in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, that the world may know that Thou didst send Me, and didst love them, even as Thou didst love Me.
And before this, about how the whole world would know that we are His disciples:
A new commandment I give you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.
And even Paul, showing a more excellent way, says:
For we know in part and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I shall know fully just as I also have been known. But now abide faith, hope, love, these three, but the greatest of these is love.
And John shows maturity beyond that which most ever reach, many having remained little children only knowing that their sins are forgiven, some not even knowing that this forgiveness is for His name's sake. Then there are young men, who have the word of God living in them, so that they have defeated the evil one. Then there are fathers, who know Him who has been from the beginning.
I read my bible every day. I listen to His voice all the time. I trust not my own understanding at all. I seek His face, to know His glory, that I might be changed into His image, and know the truth about myself, and about Him.
In Christ,
Perfection is already ours, in our new birth. We are born of God, sinless. Yes, we still have sin. That is the sin that dwells in the flesh, which is already dead. But, what of our souls, the part of us that comes to God for judgment and correction? How does God change us into His image? It is His glory, and His love, both growing in us and changing us into His image, by His presence.
Jesus, praying to His Father, asks this:
And the glory which Thou hast given Me I have given to them; that they may be one, just as We are one; I in them, and Thou in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, that the world may know that Thou didst send Me, and didst love them, even as Thou didst love Me.
And before this, about how the whole world would know that we are His disciples:
A new commandment I give you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.
And even Paul, showing a more excellent way, says:
For we know in part and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I shall know fully just as I also have been known. But now abide faith, hope, love, these three, but the greatest of these is love.
And John shows maturity beyond that which most ever reach, many having remained little children only knowing that their sins are forgiven, some not even knowing that this forgiveness is for His name's sake. Then there are young men, who have the word of God living in them, so that they have defeated the evil one. Then there are fathers, who know Him who has been from the beginning.
I read my bible every day. I listen to His voice all the time. I trust not my own understanding at all. I seek His face, to know His glory, that I might be changed into His image, and know the truth about myself, and about Him.
In Christ,
A
For we know in part and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I shall know fully just as I also have been known. But now abide faith, hope, love, these three, but the greatest of these is love.
we are not fully grown not one of us. for we know only in part.
"I seek His face, to know His glory, that I might be changed into His image, and know the truth about myself, and about Him."
it is good to seek to Know Jesus and how He sees us.
we are not fully grown not one of us. for we know only in part.
"I seek His face, to know His glory, that I might be changed into His image, and know the truth about myself, and about Him."
it is good to seek to Know Jesus and how He sees us.
I feel that I have offended you. If so, I am deeply mortified.
I would not write such things unless I had a very good reason, one which comes from heaven.
A story about how careful I am with my words. I introduced a person to God, through Jesus Christ. At that very moment, God chose to bring them into His presence within the veil, to deal with all that was keeping them from starting new, as a new creature created in Him in perfect righteousness. After about 30 minutes of watching them squirm and moan and be distressed with the revelation of God's righteousness and their lack of righteousness, I prayed that it stop, I was worried about this one's happiness and well being.
It did stop.
Very big mistake. God was not through dealing with all the trash that needed to be rummaged through. This person spent the next 3 years dealing with things that could have been dealt with right then. I learned to watch my words extremely carefully that day, and was reminded of my error for the next 3 years, every day.
Anyway, I write very little here that if not from the Spirit directly,and if it is, then it is with much thought and concern over the veracity and the effect the words will have. And with very much prayer.
In Christ,
I would not write such things unless I had a very good reason, one which comes from heaven.
A story about how careful I am with my words. I introduced a person to God, through Jesus Christ. At that very moment, God chose to bring them into His presence within the veil, to deal with all that was keeping them from starting new, as a new creature created in Him in perfect righteousness. After about 30 minutes of watching them squirm and moan and be distressed with the revelation of God's righteousness and their lack of righteousness, I prayed that it stop, I was worried about this one's happiness and well being.
It did stop.
Very big mistake. God was not through dealing with all the trash that needed to be rummaged through. This person spent the next 3 years dealing with things that could have been dealt with right then. I learned to watch my words extremely carefully that day, and was reminded of my error for the next 3 years, every day.
Anyway, I write very little here that if not from the Spirit directly,and if it is, then it is with much thought and concern over the veracity and the effect the words will have. And with very much prayer.
In Christ,
A
VW don't be troubled, you have not offended me. i'm just trying to figure out the spirit of dissension haunting the site. Do not worry. For God has it under control. i don't mind discussion and debate but I wonder why people speak/type offensive personal comments when they don't really know the other person or their situation.
I just thinking on these verses:
"For by your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned" Matthew 12:37
and why more people do not harness their tongue and thoughts to obedience of the Holy Spirit and governance of the Bible.
sorry i think we may have strayed off topic
Trinity versus Oneness??? i still don't get it but I'll leave it to God.
I just thinking on these verses:
"For by your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned" Matthew 12:37
and why more people do not harness their tongue and thoughts to obedience of the Holy Spirit and governance of the Bible.
sorry i think we may have strayed off topic
Trinity versus Oneness??? i still don't get it but I'll leave it to God.
E
Yes, Remember Nicodemus asked if he needed to enter again his mother's womb (water) Jesus was trying to get him to understand. That which is born of flesh is flesh. That which is born of spirit is spirit.
As you rightly say, Our fles will fade away. Unless we are born spiritually (born again) we will have no hope. Which is where john 3: 14 - 21 comes in, which explains what the "son of man" will do to allow us to be born again (given eternal LIFE)
As you rightly say, Our fles will fade away. Unless we are born spiritually (born again) we will have no hope. Which is where john 3: 14 - 21 comes in, which explains what the "son of man" will do to allow us to be born again (given eternal LIFE)
A
did you know all the molecules in your cells are remade by the food you eat every seven years. You're atoms and things are replaced. old cells die and the food you eat replaces the body's cells with new molecules, etc? There have been studies, never tested them all out myself but it gives you food for thought. lol
think now the nature of water: it heals it soothes
Now fire burns and hurts but can cause great things to happen
first you must burn up all your old habits and sins and attachments to the world that keep you from being the person God intends for you to be then you have to be healed from the wounds and the pain letting go of those attachments cause.
That to me is being baptized with the water and the fire. the Holy Spirit working in your life to make you the person God means for you to be. Its not a one time thing, its a life time thing.
Its called God's Chastening:
The Discipline of God
3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. 4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. 5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:
“ My son, do not despise the chastening of the LORD,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the LORD loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”[a]
7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
think now the nature of water: it heals it soothes
Now fire burns and hurts but can cause great things to happen
first you must burn up all your old habits and sins and attachments to the world that keep you from being the person God intends for you to be then you have to be healed from the wounds and the pain letting go of those attachments cause.
That to me is being baptized with the water and the fire. the Holy Spirit working in your life to make you the person God means for you to be. Its not a one time thing, its a life time thing.
Its called God's Chastening:
The Discipline of God
3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. 4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. 5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:
“ My son, do not despise the chastening of the LORD,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the LORD loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”[a]
7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
E
He knew about baptism. But I find it hard to believe he would have even thought about Baptism in his conversation with Christ. Why would he? Jesus was talking about being born again, he thought he had to enter his mother's womb again. So where would baptism come in. Not to mention, If he thought of baptism he would not have asked "how could these things be"
Second. Jesus explained, As moses lifted the serpant, so must the son of man be lifted up. That whoever believes in him would never parish. For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him will never parish, but have eternal life.
Finally we get to what "life" is not to mention, If Jesus wanted us or him to think of Baptism, Jesus would have clearly mentioned it in these verses.
It is widely believed nicodemus was one of the men who took the body of Christ off the cross. He would have understood then what Jesus meant, even if he did not now.
Second. Jesus explained, As moses lifted the serpant, so must the son of man be lifted up. That whoever believes in him would never parish. For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him will never parish, but have eternal life.
Finally we get to what "life" is not to mention, If Jesus wanted us or him to think of Baptism, Jesus would have clearly mentioned it in these verses.
It is widely believed nicodemus was one of the men who took the body of Christ off the cross. He would have understood then what Jesus meant, even if he did not now.
1
The thing about Nicodemus is that Jesus marvels that he does not understand - Are you a teacher of Israel and don't know these things? The things of the OT were types and shadows of their spiritual reality, Moses is told to construct the temple based on what he sees in Heaven. You can be sure that Moses was therefore teaching daily about the heavenly things that were represented by the shadow and not dwelling on the lesser images. As the scripture says, Moses looked forward to Christ. Hebrews likewise displays this spiritual goal and vision of the great patriarchs though they endured with only the fleshly symbols.
Likewise Jesus is pointing Nicodemus again to OT shadow and revealing the spiritual reality. In the OT everyone who looked to the bronze serpent was saved from the serpents that were biting them, but Jesus is telling Nicodemus the heavenly reality of that shadow is not about this life but eternal life through Him.
Nicodemus is bound up in the flesh and unable to see the kingdom. Christ says born again and he cannot get past this life. He has, like the pharisees, failed to see the scriptures through spiritual eyes, and therefore he is unable to discern the Christ and the kingdom.
My two cents.
Likewise Jesus is pointing Nicodemus again to OT shadow and revealing the spiritual reality. In the OT everyone who looked to the bronze serpent was saved from the serpents that were biting them, but Jesus is telling Nicodemus the heavenly reality of that shadow is not about this life but eternal life through Him.
Nicodemus is bound up in the flesh and unable to see the kingdom. Christ says born again and he cannot get past this life. He has, like the pharisees, failed to see the scriptures through spiritual eyes, and therefore he is unable to discern the Christ and the kingdom.
My two cents.
S
[quote=GraceBeUntoYou;294547]Trinity vs. Oneness, why or why not?
For my position, refer to page 3 of the 'YHVH + Jesus + Holy Spirit'
discussion: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-
forum/13953-yhvh-jesus-holy-spirit-3.html[/quote]
DEAR FRIEND,
"And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has
been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and
make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name
of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching
them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and
lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. "
Amen. (St. Matthew 28:19-20 OSB NKJV; page 1327, q.v.).
"28:19 "This Great Commission -- our Lord's final
commandment given on earth -- is to be lived out in the
Church until He returns again. Making disciples cannot be
done in the strength of man, but only in the power of God.
The power of the Resurrection is not only for Jesus Himself,
but is given to all believers for Christian life and mission.
"28:20 Christ Himself is present in each believer and in the
Church always, both personally and in the Holy Spirit, for
neither can be separated from the other. To the end of the
age does not by any means imply that we will be separated
from Him at the end of the world. He is with us now, and
forever, and unto the ages of ages. Amen.
notes on page 1327 of the OSB (Orthodox Study Bible,
Copyright 2008, Thomas Nelson Bibles, Nashville, TN).
Take care. God save us. Amen. In Erie Scott Harrington
For my position, refer to page 3 of the 'YHVH + Jesus + Holy Spirit'
discussion: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-
forum/13953-yhvh-jesus-holy-spirit-3.html[/quote]
DEAR FRIEND,
"And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has
been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and
make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name
of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching
them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and
lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. "
Amen. (St. Matthew 28:19-20 OSB NKJV; page 1327, q.v.).
"28:19 "This Great Commission -- our Lord's final
commandment given on earth -- is to be lived out in the
Church until He returns again. Making disciples cannot be
done in the strength of man, but only in the power of God.
The power of the Resurrection is not only for Jesus Himself,
but is given to all believers for Christian life and mission.
"28:20 Christ Himself is present in each believer and in the
Church always, both personally and in the Holy Spirit, for
neither can be separated from the other. To the end of the
age does not by any means imply that we will be separated
from Him at the end of the world. He is with us now, and
forever, and unto the ages of ages. Amen.
notes on page 1327 of the OSB (Orthodox Study Bible,
Copyright 2008, Thomas Nelson Bibles, Nashville, TN).
Take care. God save us. Amen. In Erie Scott Harrington
i was just trying to make them aware that they have been taught the wrong thing all these years; but i can understand that it would be hard to swallow, but if one loves the truth more than their church,they will except. remember the greatest commandment; you shall love the lord your god with all your soul,with all your mind, and with all your strenght. anyone who loves father or mother,or brother and sister more than me is not worthy of me.
''wakeup''.