Lots of questions. Please don't answer hastily. Thank you!!!
Some will say, but what about "the Lamb" [arnion] of Revelation? This is not the same Greek word for Lamb [amnos] that John the Baptist used for Christ/Messiah. It's only found in the Revelation and once to Peter in John 21:15 'feed my lambs' ... those that are a Part of Him - One with Him - as Savior/Messiah is with Father.
Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the "midst" [=mesos="middle of"] of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Is the bosom of the Father in the middle, from where The Word of GOD proceeds from?
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only 'begotten' Son, which is "in the bosom" of the Father, he hath declared him.
"out of the abudance of the heart, the mouth speaks" = From the heart [bosom] of The Father, His mouth speaks - The Word of GOD.
Is the bosom of the Father - not one with the Father or equal to?
How seperate is GOD from His Own Words - The Word of GOD?
Are the Word of GOD seperate from GOD? Or do they come from the "heart of GOD" which is in His bosom?
Creator God shed His Own blood for those whom He created.
GOD became The Lamb - slain before the foundation of the earth, in His Foreknowledge/Mind.
God does "have a heart" from which to speak From?
One rises against GOD that is cursed above all men in Ezekiel -- the "prince of Tyrus" who lifts himself up to "speak as GOD" or in place of "The Word of GOD" -- Eze 28:2 "Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God,
though thou set thine heart as the heart of God..." [an anti-Christ = G500] anti = instead or in place of.
These 3 verses will go together into this one Topic ...
Eph 1:23 Which is His body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all.
Eph 1:10-12 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: in whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: that we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
1Cor 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
At the point that this verse above is pointing forward to - will the Lamb/Son be any less GOD than He was from eternity past?
I prefer men of GOD [that I quote] to be dead : ) - as in, those that have passed "the test of time" - as 'any' other man alive today has not yet finished the race and we don't know their final outcome.
Scripture and the men ...
From a Reformed man: Adam Clarke -
"1 Corinthians 15:28
The Son also himself be subject - When the administration of the Kingdom of grace is finally closed; when there shall be no longer any state of probation, and consequently no longer need of a distinction between the kingdom of grace and the kingdom of glory; then the Son, as being man and Messiah, shall cease to exercise any 'distinct' dominion and God be all in all: there remaining no longer any 'distinction' in the persons of the glorious Trinity, as acting any 'distinct or separate' parts in either the kingdom of grace, or the kingdom of glory, and so the One infinite essence shall appear 'undivided' and eternal."
From a Non-Reformed man - John Wesley -
"1 Corinthians 15:28 The Son also shall be subject - Shall deliver up the mediatorial kingdom. That the three - one God may be all in all - All things, (consequently all persons,) without any interruption, without the intervention of any creature, without the opposition of any enemy, shall be subordinate to God. All shall say, "My God, and my all." This is the end. Even an inspired apostle can see nothing beyond this."
Will the One that we call 'Jesus' be any less GOD than before He was begotten/became flesh?
Was The Word of GOD "the son" before conception -- is the million dollar question and can be answered with the Old Testament [and New].
I know I asked before - but Was The Word of GOD called the Son in the O.T. except in the 'future tense'?
How many Thrones and how many upon that Throne that Ezekiel & Isaiah, when shown the Glory of Him Who was in Heaven, seated upon that Throne in their days?
And in "the End" - will He that sits upon The Throne not be as He 'was' when Ezekiel and the others saw Him / GOD ? The Revelation and Ezekiel & Isaiah speak of the same Throne with the rainbow over it, etc..
Would have to post 1/3 of the Old Testament to get to do this Main Topic of our Faith - but these will have to do for now - as my other computer busted with my compilation of those Scriptures, titled "Who is JESUS?" [can't find the thread there neither] ~*~ "Jesus_is_GOD" ... not "Jesus Only" [Oneness theory] but "GOD ONLY" [or Only ONE GOD = the Shema that Jesus quoted?]
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Isa 43:11-15 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no Saviour.
I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.
Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?
Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.
I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.
In Heb 1:8-13 [there is only One King of kings & One Throne - but veerse 13 goes on to say that from a certain point, "UNTIL" a certain point - He is seated at the Right Hand .... but after His enemies are made His footstool - [Rev 21] - HE is the One and Only GOD - the Only GOD seen on The Throne in Rev 21, wiping tears, etc..
Isa 44:21-24 Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me. I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.
Sing, O ye heavens; for the LORD hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel.
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; that frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish.
Isaiah 45:21-25 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.
In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
Isa 48:12,13 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.
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O the Depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been His counsellor? Or who hath first given to Him, and it shall be recompensed unto Him again?
For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things: to Whom be Glory for ever. Amen.
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen!
(Rom 11:33-36 & Jude 1:25)
