Trophimus in 2 Timothy 4:20

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Ariel82

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"Erastus stayed in Corinth, and I left Trophimus sick in Miletus."


I have discussed this with a few people on CC. Who was Trophimus, and why wasn't he healed? Not much is said about it, but it just struck me a little odd that he was left sick.

Any thoughts?
reminds me of these verses...
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]But he passing through the midst of them went his way,
 

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Yay! Finally! Someone who knows how to discuss topics of threads! Would it be a bad idea for people to post scripture supporting or disproving any of the 6 theories?
#5 & #6 may have general scriptural support but there is no way to conclusively prove what was the precise reason.
 
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Graybeard

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I think healing by faith is referring to spiriual healing.
I am referring to physical healing. Jesus healed many who did not beleive. After they saw his miracles they followed him. That was the purpose of his miracles. So people would beleive.
Most if not all Jesus's healings were physical...those He healed had to have faith/belief to be healed.
Please give one Scripture that says Jesus healed someone who did not believe, on the contrary He could not heal if there was no faith/belief.
 

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Two from the nt come to mind where it isn't conclusive faith was present...

When Jesus had stepped out on land, there met him a man from the city who had demons. For a long time he had worn no clothes, and he had not lived in a house but among the tombs. When he saw Jesus, he cried out and fell down before him and said with a loud voice, "What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, do not torment me." For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. (For many a time it had seized him. He was kept under guard and bound with chains and shackles, but he would break the bonds and be driven by the demon into the desert.) Jesus then asked him, "What is your name?" And he said, "Legion," for many demons had entered him. And they begged him not to command them to depart into the abyss. Now a large herd of pigs was feeding there on the hillside, and they begged him to let them enter these. So he gave them permission. Then the demons came out of the man and entered the pigs, and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and drowned. When the herdsmen saw what had happened, they fled and told it in the city and in the country. Then people went out to see what had happened, and they came to Jesus and found the man from whom the demons had gone, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed and in his right mind, and they were afraid.
(Luk 8:27-35)


In these lay a multitude of invalids—blind, lame, and paralyzed. One man was there who had been an invalid for thirty-eight years. When Jesus saw him lying there and knew that he had already been there a long time, he said to him, "Do you want to be healed?" The sick man answered him, "Sir, I have no one to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up, and while I am going another steps down before me." Jesus said to him, "Get up, take up your bed, and walk." And at once the man was healed, and he took up his bed and walked. Now that day was the Sabbath.
(Joh 5:3-9)

Then one from the OT where the Naaman was quite reluctant...

And Elisha sent a messenger to him, saying, "Go and wash in the Jordan seven times, and your flesh shall be restored, and you shall be clean." But Naaman was angry and went away, saying, "Behold, I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call upon the name of the LORD his God, and wave his hand over the place and cure the leper. Are not Abana and Pharpar, the rivers of Damascus, better than all the waters of Israel? Could I not wash in them and be clean?" So he turned and went away in a rage. But his servants came near and said to him, "My father, it is a great word the prophet has spoken to you; will you not do it? Has he actually said to you, 'Wash, and be clean'?" So he went down and dipped himself seven times in the Jordan, according to the word of the man of God, and his flesh was restored like the flesh of a little child, and he was clean.
(2Ki 5:10-14)
 
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Graybeard

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Two from the nt come to mind where it isn't conclusive faith was present...

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(Luk 8:27-35)


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(2Ki 5:10-14)
Luk 8:27-35.....this was not faith as it was the demons talking, they knew very well who Jesus was....Bible tells us "even the demons believe"

2Ki 5:10-14..seems just the act of obedience could be regarded as some sought of faith...why would he have carried out the instruction otherwise?....
 

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Luk 8:27-35.....this was not faith as it was the demons talking, they knew very well who Jesus was....Bible tells us "even the demons believe"

2Ki 5:10-14..seems just the act of obedience could be regarded as some sought of faith...why would he have carried out the instruction otherwise?....
Then doesn't the Luke passage show a healing where no faith is involved...which is what you asked, right?
 

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Interesting on the Kings passage. Naaman's attitude seemed to be ''oh well, what have I got to lose?'' Maybe that much passes for faith!?