TRUE DOCTRINE

[Avinu]

2 JOHN 9-11

9) Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Messiah does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Messiah has both the Father and the son.

10) If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;

11) for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

I find these verses quite interesting to say the least, because there are so many religions that under the umbrella of Yeshua's name claim to be biblically correct. when in fact they are blasphemous. For instance;

The re-writing and watering down of the Bible, changing names, even the words he and she.

The book of mormon, which is held to a equal status of Yah's Holy Word.

Jehovah's witness and there profession of Yeshua, which is different from the Bible.

Even judaism, and there mishna/talmud, that is taught above the Bible.

the list goes on. Now I'm not trying to debate on mormonism or Jehovah's witnesses, but that these scriptures say plainly that to even shake there hands we partake in their sin.
This is such an indication of how serious Yah takes things that we in the body of Messiah have made light of in so many ways.
Yah even tells us that we will be held accountable for EVERY idle word.
This verse alone is a real attention getter, because how many idle words go through us everyday?
Now it's not to say that we will lose our place in heaven for idle words, but it seems quite clear that Yah wants no horsing around (as it were) in our walk with Him, and that we are to treat it with the most absolute reverence of anything in our lives.

Your thoughts?

 

[GreenNnice]

2 JOHN 9-11

9) Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Messiah does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Messiah has both the Father and the son.

10) If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;

11) for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

I find these verses quite interesting to say the least, because there are so many religions that under the umbrella of Yeshua's name claim to be biblically correct. when in fact they are blasphemous. For instance;

The re-writing and watering down of the Bible, changing names, even the words he and she.

The book of mormon, which is held to a equal status of Yah's Holy Word.

Jehovah's witness and there profession of Yeshua, which is different from the Bible.

Even judaism, and there mishna/talmud, that is taught above the Bible.

the list goes on. Now I'm not trying to debate on mormonism or Jehovah's witnesses, but that these scriptures say plainly that to even shake there hands we partake in their sin.
This is such an indication of how serious Yah takes things that we in the body of Messiah have made light of in so many ways.
Yah even tells us that we will be held accountable for EVERY idle word.
This verse alone is a real attention getter, because how many idle words go through us everyday?
Now it's not to say that we will lose our place in heaven for idle words, but it seems quite clear that Yah wants no horsing around (as it were) in our walk with Him, and that we are to treat it with the most absolute reverence of anything in our lives.

Your thoughts?

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Av, I must say, it is noticed , since your judging (putting yourself in place of God) Stargazer's 'question marked' question, 'God killed the wrong prophet?' thread, and, I am commending you for toning down your prose with spiritual-speaking giftedness that was attackful to others, like CanadaNZ (and I don't see him on here at all since, so maybe a PM by you and PeterT is still in order , with apology your agenda, the Lord leads ). I am just speaking what I feel is truth from Him. And, I am sorry if this hurts you, Av, yea, I am certain I too have, at times, in past admitted fault, of misconstruing the Lord's words to me for others to falsely bear to my saying humanly hurtful things to people that show not Love in my heart .

But, yes, regarding your question, Av, we can only follow Him when we speak to others and of others through Him in us (Holy Spirit), we must speak in Spirit and in Truth or we will never know the true way to Truth because we will hear our own voice and not His. And, it will lead to lives lost that could have been saved. God will see this too as our choosing our own way and that therefore is not believing in Him....
As scripture subsequently says in doing all these things of finding and saying our own truth of scripture , taking or adding to the bible doctrine's 66 books' inspired God-breathed words, we will not be able to come to the Father, our Father in Heaven.
John 3:16 is clear , too. We are to.believe and be saved, but in that 'belief' must be a complete understanding and unending seeking and following and learning and discovering and honoring and realizing and seeing and, yes, believing, and, finally, doing things in our life that pronounce and proclaim His truth , this Truth of Him seeking is necessary for our faith to continúe to grow all through our life so we can find Him in the end for eternal, everlasting life and, not eternal, everlasting death.

God bless you, and, I will find scripture if I must but this is the doctrine of Truth I speak of and my faith is ultimately in the unseen , as Hebrews 11:1 states, and, my faith and Love for my Father is the promise I choose to believe as Truth.
May His Truth abide in you, peeps

 

[Avinu]

Av, I must say, it is noticed , since your judging (putting yourself in place of God) Stargazer's 'question marked' question, 'God killed the wrong prophet?' thread, and, I am commending you for toning down your prose with spiritual-speaking giftedness that was attackful to others, like CanadaNZ (and I don't see him on here at all since, so maybe a PM by you and PeterT is still in order , with apology your agenda, the Lord leads ). I am just speaking what I feel is truth from Him. And, I am sorry if this hurts you, Av, yea, I am certain I too have, at times, in past admitted fault, of misconstruing the Lord's words to me for others to falsely bear to my saying humanly hurtful things to people that show not Love in my heart

As this has nothing to do with the thread, but for your own self gratification, you felt compelled to write this. So with that, you shouldn't assume, for it makes you look foolish, as to whether or not myself along with stargazer, and canada have resolved any misunderstanding, in a PM or otherwise. Enough said.

 

[GreenNnice]

As this has nothing to do with the thread, but for your own self gratification, you felt compelled to write this. So with that, you shouldn't assume, for it makes you look foolish, as to whether or not myself along with stargazer, and canada have resolved any misunderstanding, in a PM or otherwise. Enough said.

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That's fine , Av , God bless you. I was totally complimenting you but for a simple thinker to maybe PM someone you may have hurt. They got disgustingly mad in response to a post and I think you have greatly improved your listening and understanding of others since that time 3 weeks ago


Doctrine I follow is from scripture and how the Holy Spirit personally leads me. He leads us all, and, intimately, intricately, so. His eye is on all we sheep. .or, are we sparrows

 

[WeStand]

From my studies, i beleive Yah',s Holy Word is the book of Genisis on its own, Fully & Completely; the rest of the Bible is nothing more than the proof in the pudding, of what He said Easier to see in hind-sight

Next Father comes that doubled-edged sword of Your Truth Father; that doubled-edged sword that i pray i do my part in honing each day; but more importantly Father, i would ask for, in and through the name of your Son, and our Lord, King and Saviour's name, Jesus The Christ/Yeshua Messiah and thank-you Father for granting unto me, and for a double portion thereof, if it be available to me through the house of Joseph, and All that there is available of it to me at this time; of strength, courage, wisdom, paitence and endurance; to be sure Father, to have this child of yours Father, to remain nothing more than a humble vessel; somewhat fit for Your Majesty's use from time to time, to yeild that doubled edged sword of Your Truth through but NEVER by:

For we KNOW Father, that it is YOU and Only YOU Father; that has the ability to yeild that doubled edged sword, Justly, Righteously, and thank Get Over Death in heaven Almighty, Accuretly. Thats That (amen)

Forever in Christ

 

[JaumeJ]

2 JOHN 9-11

9) Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Messiah does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Messiah has both the Father and the son.

10) If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;

11) for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

I find these verses quite interesting to say the least, because there are so many religions that under the umbrella of Yeshua's name claim to be biblically correct. when in fact they are blasphemous. For instance;

The re-writing and watering down of the Bible, changing names, even the words he and she.

The book of mormon, which is held to a equal status of Yah's Holy Word.

Jehovah's witness and there profession of Yeshua, which is different from the Bible.

Even judaism, and there mishna/talmud, that is taught above the Bible.

the list goes on. Now I'm not trying to debate on mormonism or Jehovah's witnesses, but that these scriptures say plainly that to even shake there hands we partake in their sin.
This is such an indication of how serious Yah takes things that we in the body of Messiah have made light of in so many ways.
Yah even tells us that we will be held accountable for EVERY idle word.
This verse alone is a real attention getter, because how many idle words go through us everyday?
Now it's not to say that we will lose our place in heaven for idle words, but it seems quite clear that Yah wants no horsing around (as it were) in our walk with Him, and that we are to treat it with the most absolute reverence of anything in our lives.

Your thoughts?

Christian Scientists.............uf!
Thank you for this post. The family in Christ needs this reminder, big time! I was booted out of a small congregation for "revealing" to them that Jesus Christ is Jewish. I love calling Him by the same name His parents called Him, Yeshua. I know Joseph was simply his "host father." God bless all in Jesus Christ and all who will come to Him........please listen to Him, amen.

 

[CanadaNZ]

2 JOHN 9-11

9) Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Messiah does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Messiah has both the Father and the son.

10) If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;

11) for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

I find these verses quite interesting to say the least, because there are so many religions that under the umbrella of Yeshua's name claim to be biblically correct. when in fact they are blasphemous. For instance;

The re-writing and watering down of the Bible, changing names, even the words he and she.

The book of mormon, which is held to a equal status of Yah's Holy Word.

Jehovah's witness and there profession of Yeshua, which is different from the Bible.

Even judaism, and there mishna/talmud, that is taught above the Bible.

the list goes on. Now I'm not trying to debate on mormonism or Jehovah's witnesses, but that these scriptures say plainly that to even shake there hands we partake in their sin.
This is such an indication of how serious Yah takes things that we in the body of Messiah have made light of in so many ways.
Yah even tells us that we will be held accountable for EVERY idle word.
This verse alone is a real attention getter, because how many idle words go through us everyday?
Now it's not to say that we will lose our place in heaven for idle words, but it seems quite clear that Yah wants no horsing around (as it were) in our walk with Him, and that we are to treat it with the most absolute reverence of anything in our lives.

Your thoughts?

Look at the previous verses, John is talking about welcoming/accepting someone into your home knowing full well he has come with a false teaching (a deceiver/antichrist).

"If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine", that means he is bringing another doctrine (a false doctrine) to you in an attempt to persuade you. To welcome in and listen to someone who is trying to deceive you is not very smart. This does not mean that we should never talk to people about the truth, we are commanded to go to all nations and God knows that this will include nations that don't believe the truth. So we can know that he doesn't mean that we should shut ourselves off from everyone who is not a christian. He is talking about those who welcome someone in to listen to what they say even though they know that this person is teaching a false doctrine. The church is suffering with many who do this, trying to make things fit with muslim, JW, mormon and other false teachings so that we can "all get along". But 2 John tells us that we must stand by the truth and don't give an ear to those that teach false doctrine.

 

[Red33]

Look at the previous verses, John is talking about welcoming/accepting someone into your home knowing full well he has come with a false teaching (a deceiver/antichrist).

"If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine", that means he is bringing another doctrine (a false doctrine) to you in an attempt to persuade you. To welcome in and listen to someone who is trying to deceive you is not very smart. This does not mean that we should never talk to people about the truth, we are commanded to go to all nations and God knows that this will include nations that don't believe the truth. So we can know that he doesn't mean that we should shut ourselves off from everyone who is not a christian. He is talking about those who welcome someone in to listen to what they say even though they know that this person is teaching a false doctrine. The church is suffering with many who do this, trying to make things fit with muslim, JW, mormon and other false teachings so that we can "all get along". But 2 John tells us that we must stand by the truth and don't give an ear to those that teach false doctrine.

This is excellent and very mature and it gives the intent and needed understanding of the passage without violating or compromising the truth or the love of God in our Lord Jesus Christ. Thank you for bringing in the balance of our faith that keeps our hearts pure and spotless yet rings with the sound of truth and conviction so that we can serve God acceptably.

 

[WeStand]

This is excellent and very mature and it gives the intent and needed understanding of the passage without violating or compromising the truth or the love of God in our Lord Jesus Christ. Thank you for bringing in the balance of our faith that keeps our hearts pure and spotless yet rings with the sound of truth and conviction so that we can serve God acceptably.

Yes! That doubled-edged sword of YOUR Truth Father YAHAVAH, that cuts through both; All the sceintific theories & philosophies reguarding 1st; how we got here/ 2nd why were here in this condition/ and 3rdly, exactly what IS next;

And the other side of that sword of YOUR Truth; straightning out ALL of the Religious LIE"S that are spread about YOU Father, especially in the name of Your Son and Our Lord, King and Saviour's name Jesus The Christ/Yeshua Messiah.

Yes Father; Your Prophesies concerning Your Son; NOT ANY mans religion and their interpretation of Your Prophesies, Thank-You Father for Your Words are overwhelmingly Rejoiceful & Comforting to those who hear them

Thank-You Father also, for bringing Your Word into fruitation at this time, so that yes, it is so bright and clear, that there is NO DOUBT, and even more than that, NO BELEIF even needed; For IT HAS BEEN PROVEN.

Praise be to YAHAVAH/ Judah be to Yeshua Messiah

Forever in Christ

 

[Avinu]

Look at the previous verses, John is talking about welcoming/accepting someone into your home knowing full well he has come with a false teaching (a deceiver/antichrist).

"If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine", that means he is bringing another doctrine (a false doctrine) to you in an attempt to persuade you. To welcome in and listen to someone who is trying to deceive you is not very smart.Amen

This does not mean that we should never talk to people about the truth, we are commanded to go to all nations and God knows that this will include nations that don't believe the truth.Amen again.

So we can know that he doesn't mean that we should shut ourselves off from everyone who is not a christian. He is talking about those who welcome someone in to listen to what they say even though they know that this person is teaching a false doctrine.Amen, AMen.

The church is suffering with many who do this, trying to make things fit with muslim, JW, mormon and other false teachings so that we can "all get along". But 2 John tells us that we must stand by the truth and don't give an ear to those that teach false doctrine.

And the biggest AMEN of them all Canada, very well put. AMEN & shalom.

 

[Avinu]

From my studies, i beleive Yah',s Holy Word is the book of Genisis on its own, Fully & Completely; the rest of the Bible is nothing more than the proof in the pudding, of what He said Easier to see in hind-sight

So do you believe that Exodus to Revelation is not the Word of God?

 

[GreenNnice]

And the biggest AMEN of them all Canada, very well put. AMEN & shalom.

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God bless you for that statement, Av ^

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from Him, I am certain

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CanadaNZ, brilliantly put .

And, the Truth doctrine comes from Jesus through red-letter scripture in the bible and through God's teachings in the Old Testament to us and the Holy Spirit speaking it to our heart as we individually go about our lives.

We MUST worship in Spirit and in Truth.

Bravo, bravo, CNZ, yes, the church tries to be all things to all people and they compromise the Word when they do that. The truth of their ministry must be based in Truth and decisions made from the Spirit moving in them, just like 'It' was moving over the dank of the deep in the beginning of time, surveying the wonder of coming creation greatness. If Truth is not spoken through Spirit and God-fearing, then it is 'false doctrine,' as John says.

And what does God say in His Truth about 'false teachers?' Hint : It's NOT good .

So, yes, 'Bravo, ,Bravo,' Christ bro, in the words of Sherkahn the Tiger, after Mowgli and Balu were dancing. Deep, dark, droning praise.
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Av, I do think that since not everyone can read in the original Hebrew, and, does not understand the original writings, like you do, that you should show an understanding of this and let Love speak through your words.I am not putting you down, I am just saying that we need to be careful to sensitivities of others who may ONLY have been given the bible in their life.

Don't weaken 'it.' The bible is their Sword . It is Truth for we believers in Christ who cannot understand truer, more pronounced translations.

I understand that the bible translations may have watered down the Word, and, commercialism has become everywhere, even in bibles, I think, but I do KNOW that God's word for me is the bible and it is REAL to me no matter that I cannot read it in the original Greek or Hebrew. God is Love. He knows my heart, He knows that I understand the best I can, and, besides, I flunked out of German after trying to learn it for THREE years

I do not understand why 'he' or 'she' changed makes that much of a difference either. Why does it ? What are words that those two pronouns are changed to in some of the 'watered down' versions of the bible, as I think you put it ?

 

[enochson]

2 JOHN 9-11

9) Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Messiah does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Messiah has both the Father and the son.

10) If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;

11) for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

I find these verses quite interesting to say the least, because there are so many religions that under the umbrella of Yeshua's name claim to be biblically correct. when in fact they are blasphemous. For instance;

The re-writing and watering down of the Bible, changing names, even the words he and she.

The book of mormon, which is held to a equal status of Yah's Holy Word.

Jehovah's witness and there profession of Yeshua, which is different from the Bible.

Even judaism, and there mishna/talmud, that is taught above the Bible.

the list goes on. Now I'm not trying to debate on mormonism or Jehovah's witnesses, but that these scriptures say plainly that to even shake there hands we partake in their sin.
This is such an indication of how serious Yah takes things that we in the body of Messiah have made light of in so many ways.
Yah even tells us that we will be held accountable for EVERY idle word.
This verse alone is a real attention getter, because how many idle words go through us everyday?
Now it's not to say that we will lose our place in heaven for idle words, but it seems quite clear that Yah wants no horsing around (as it were) in our walk with Him, and that we are to treat it with the most absolute reverence of anything in our lives.

Your thoughts?

Your right I would not let you in.

 

[CanadaNZ]

Your right I would not let you in.

That is uncalled for.

 

[Avinu]

Your right I would not let you in.

It's obvious you're picking a fight, so what's your problem? Something I posted in my thread offend you?

 

[WeStand]

So do you believe that Exodus to Revelation is not the Word of God?

Really Avinu, i expected so much more from you than this being an actual Israelite from The House of Judah.

Exodus to Revelations being the I Told You's SO's; and The understanding of The Way Out, the book of Exodus in its Entirety.

I would have enjoyed wittnessing with you, but you have your own agenda, mine is to point out the poorly transliterated words in the English; it would be nice if someone who understood Hebrew would back me up, as it gets boring real fast, continually being reffered to as an assumed lier

Not much point in discussing The Bible, if your gonna discuss the Bull____, oh! there i go again i mean the ____glish language; as English IS the best double-talking lawyer type language for communicating Doubt and Babel/Confusion.

Forever in Christ

 

[Avinu]

[QUOTEReally Avinu, i expected so much more from you than this being an actual Israelite from The House of Judah.
Actually if research has proven correctly, I'm from the tribe of Levi, but my wife is from the tribe of Judah.



Exodus to Revelations being the I Told You's SO's; and The understanding of The Way Out, the book of Exodus in its Entirety.

I would have enjoyed wittnessing with you, but you have your own agenda, mine is to point out the poorly transliterated words in the English; it would be nice if someone who understood Hebrew would back me up, as it gets boring real fast, continually being reffered to as an assumed lier
Why do you think I have my own agenda? And what is it you need back up on?

Not much point in discussing The Bible, if your gonna discuss the Bull____, oh! there i go again i mean the ____glish language; as English IS the best double-talking lawyer type language for communicating Doubt and Babel/Confusion.That's really funny, and couldn't agree with you more. The english does butcher the real writings.

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From my studies, i beleive Yah',s Holy Word is the book of Genisis on its own, Fully & Completely; the rest of the Bible is nothing more than the proof in the pudding, of what He said Easier to see in hind-sight

You wrote this that's why I asked. Shalom

 

[damombomb]

I was studying about the trumpets in revelation and found out in Hebrew they are shofars, big difference in languages,

 

[JaumeJ]

I was studying about the trumpets in revelation and found out in Hebrew they are shofars, big difference in languages,

As far as I have always heard, the ram's horn shofar is the precursor to the trump(et). Like the harp played in days of yore was nothing like the harp we have today, it was much smaller, and could be held in one hand while strummed with the other. No matter, the last trump will be sounded on a shofar as far as my understanding goes, but who knows, maybe it will be on something a little more modern. I don't think so. This is a detail, and I know folks like to be accurate about the Word. The very most important detail to know, and to know well is Jesus Christ and what He teaches us for Salvation. God bless you and all in Jesus Christ, and all who will come to Him, amen. (I think in terms of the ram's horn.)

 

[WeStand]

I was studying about the trumpets in revelation and found out in Hebrew they are shofars, big difference in languages,

The differences are huge and very enlighting, little things like the word time that is almost non-exsistent in the Hebrew scriptures, yet used so many times in the English Textbook (Bible)

The word in Hebrew being actually 3 different words, that in English mean; Oppurtunity/ Good Oppurunity/ and Bad Opportunity; ALL translated into the English as time .

Best you don't get your times (opportunities) mixed up or one could end up caught between a Rock & a Hard Place; That would be The Lords Day of Reckoning, FAR scarier than the real hell run by satan, or these shadows of hell were in, being influenced by satan/death.

Forever in Christ