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peterT

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Yawn !!! ROFL and this from the one who is taking the politically correct stance instead of standing against a religion that requires all it's followers to be antichrist. Do you have anything productive to say? Or are you only interested in criticizing and attacking those who disagree with your doctrine?

What I am interested in is to Root out, pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, thus sayeth the lord to Jeremiah.

And to

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

And to expose you for prophesying lies, and the false prophet you are becoming and pretending you are strong in the word, but you are week in the word.

To obey the lord that’s what I am interested in.
 
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peterT

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May I suggest you actually find out what is going on in France before condemning the French people for wanting to save their country from becoming an Islamic controlled country that would impose sharia law.
If you go back and see what I said about the coalition government in France and there covetousness and to throw foreigners out of the country which is not Christlike.

Why are you defending the French people don’t you know that the wrath of God will fall all the ungodly not just the Muslims.

Or are you a double flag flaying Christian, one foot in and one foot out, a lover of this world too.

1 John 2:15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.


and attack them for standing against a false religion that requires all of its followers to be antichrist. Where does Scripture tell you to be politically correct and attack those who stand against a religion that requires its followers to be antichrists?

No I am not against standing against a false religion I am agents you saying there is no antichrist and that Islam is the beast from Rv13.

And as for being politically correct I never thought or said such a thing and you can’t quote me saying I did. If you are going to use flaming accusations maybe you can use something I actually said.
 
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peterT

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LOL as you like to say "you are just making it up"! If you weren't offended you would not have accused me of picking on you when I made a suggestion, I think doulos has you pegged. Why not add something constructive to the conversation rather than just constantly attacking and condemning those who disagree with your futurist doctrine.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
I think you are getting me mixed up with Sunday going Christian, a religious Christian, a Christian that has still one foot in the love of this world, that has read his bible just ones and still doesn’t know about the armour of the lord the breastplate of righteousness and the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

It didn’t offend me, you actually helped me preach the gospel and to teach that God choses the weak things and the foolish things of this world and that no flesh should glory in his presence.

To pick on my spelling was a blessing not an offence.

Maybe the Christians you hang around with would be offended but me and my house we were the armour of the lord.


1 Corinthians 1:27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29That no flesh should glory in his presence.
 
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doulos

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YOU SAID: What you are attempting to do is ignore what John said so you can force fit Scripture to fit your antichrist theory.
No I acknowledge all that John has said and explained it all...look at my posts and see for yourself. You on the other hand have and continue to ignore what John initially said about the ONE antichrist that is to come...You have not expounded on that at all in any of your posts. (Smile)
My friend you are still unwilling to accept the fact that John told us exactly who/what the antichrist they heard shall come was when he said “this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” I asked you before to show us where in Scripture they heard antichrist shall come, and the only place that says they heard antichrist shall come is 1 John2:18. I am sorry if it isn’t doesn’t match your doctrine but no matter how hard you try to explain the truth away antichrist is not some future boogieman that will rule the whole world. Remember defending your doctrine is not as important as accepting the truth so why not just accept what John says instead of trying to change the intent of the verses to fit your doctrine?

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Once again no need to change the temple of God to the most holy place unless of course one is trying to force fit the Scriptures to match their doctrine
No need to force anything, the Temple is where he will sit, there are those who like to point to a specific place in the Temple where he will sit. What better place than the Holy of Holy's if he thinks he is God? hmmmm...think about it.
I agree that he will sit in the temple of God but disagree with your definition of the temple of God. If God does not dwell in man made buildings then how can a man made building be the temple of God? It can’t. As I have already shown you we have a new temple (Hebrews8:1-2) and a new covenant(Hebrews8:13). If you want to find the man of sin you must look in the temple of God which is either the body of the believer (1Cor3:16-17, 2Cor6:16) or the corporate body of believers (Eph2:19-21), not some man made building God does not dwell in.

YOU SAID:
As I pointed out before it was Paul that told us this. Where did Paul say the temple of God was? 1Cor3:16-17, 2Cor6:16 and Eph2:19-22. If you want to find the man of sin look in the true temple not some man made building that is not the temple of God.
And you say that I'm guilty of violating Mark 7:13?...
Let’s look at what I said. I said “Deny it if you choose and beat that dead horse just be careful that by doing so you are not doing exactly as Christ warned against in Mark7:13.” That is not saying you are guilty of anything but it is warning you not to fall into a trap that may lead to you being guilty of making the word of God of none effect by following a traditionally taught doctrine that is in error. The choice is yours adjust your doctrine to fit Scripture or force fit the Scriptures to your doctrine and make the word of God of none effect.

This is what I call a far reaching theology... that is created to explain away the obvious when the obvious does not agree with ones interpretation of the Word of God...nice try doulos but this is false doctrine at it's best
2Th 2:3 - 4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God
According to you...The Lord's return can't happen until the man of sin is revealed inside of me?.. and he opposes and exalts himsef over God and declares that he is God?...in me?LOL...You really believe that's what Paul was teaching here?

Paul was letting the early church know...(because they truly believed the Lord would return in their life time) that before the Lord would return that they would see this man of sin come on the scene and sit in the actual temple (because it was still standing) and declare himself God. He started out with "Let no man decieve you" because there were many false opinions of the Lords return and some taught that he had already returned.
Didn’t satan enter Judas? Do you think you can’t be deceived by satan? Why are there so many warnings iin Scripture not to be deceived if we can’t be deceived? Regardless of whether the old temple was still standing or not it was no longer the temple of God but instead just a building that Christ Himself said was desolate. Remember Paul (the one who told us about the man of sin) also told us exactly where the temple of God is. It isn’t a man made building God does not dwell in (Acts7:48 and Acts17:24) Considering that the temple of God is either the body of the believer (1Cor3:16-17, 2Cor6:16) or the corporate body of Christ (Eph2:19-21) then I would suggest looking amongst the believers in the true temple of God. If you want to look in some man made building God does not dwell in go ahead. Just don’t be surprised when you don’t find the man of sin.

YOU SAID: Can you provide any documentation at all for the fallacy you promote that dome of the rock is a Christian structure with a muslim ceiling.
I must retract that the Dome of the Rock was built by Christians, but here is the information that I originally misunderstood....It is note worthy because it proves the saying..(can't believe you don't know this) Jewish foundation, Christian structure, Muslim ceiling.


Crusaders
During the Crusades the Dome of the Rock was given to the Augustinians, who turned it into a church while the Al-Aqsa Mosque became a royal stable. The Knights Templar, who believed the Dome of the Rock was the site of the Temple of Solomon, later set up their headquarters in the Al-Aqsa Mosque adjacent to the Dome for much of the 12th century. The "Templum Domini", as they called it, was featured on the official seals of the Order's Grand Masters (such as Everard des Barres and Renaud de Vichiers), and it became the architectural model for Templar churches across Europe. One of these typically Templar churches was the old Saint Michael church (until the 15th century) in Roeselare which is located on the extension of the orthodromic distance line from the Dome of the Rock to the Kokino observatory.
[edit] Ayyubids and Mamluks

Jerusalem was recaptured by Saladin on 2 October 1187, and the Haram was reconsecrated as a Muslim sanctuary. The cross on top of the Dome of the Rock was replaced by a golden crescent, and a wooden screen was placed around the rock below. Saladin's nephew al-Malik al-Mu'azzam Isa carried out other restorations within the Haram and added the porch to the Aqsa mosque.
The Haram was the focus of extensive royal patronage by the sultans during the Mamluk period, which lasted from 1250 until 1510.
Amazing you retract your statement then try to justify it even though the links provided earlier clearly show that dome of the rock is muslim built structure standing 330 feet from the original temples location. It never ceases to amaze me the lengths people will go to justify a fallacy rather then just admit their error and move on when it is clear they are mistaken or have been misled. It is not built on a Jewish foundation, nor was it built to be used as a Christian church. The fact that the crusaders took it over temporarily (a fact I am well aware of) does not change the fact that it is a muslim structure built by muslims.
 
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doulos

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No I am not against standing against a false religion

Then why aren't you standing against the spread of Islam? Why are you defending their right to immigrate to other countries in an effort to spread their antichrist belief system?

I am agents you saying there is no antichrist and that Islam is the beast from Rv13.

Yaaaaaaaaaawn!!!! I never said there is no antichrist but I do disagree with your belief that antichrist is a king. As has been demonstrated multiple times there are many antichrists and they have been here since John told us about them. Your reply is nothing more then you trying to justify your personal attacks on those who choose to stand aginst the spread of a religion that requires all of it's followers to deny God has a Son making all of them antichrists. If you feel your time is better spent attacking those who stand against this religion instead of taking a stand against Islam so be it. I'll keep you in my prayers peterT and maybe someday you will Join those who stand against a relifion that requires it's followers to be antichrist instead of attacking those who do stand against that antichrist religion.
Mat 6:24No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Do you want to serve God and stand against an antichrist religion or would you prefer to serve mammon and attack those who stand against false religions just because you disagree with their end time beliefs?
 
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IMINJC

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DULOS

you said: this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

I'm only responding to this again not for your sake because you are beyond reasoning with, this is for those that want to know the truth.
 
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IMINJC

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DULOS

you said: “this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”


I'm only responding to this again not for your sake because you are beyond reasoning with, this is for those that want to know the truth.

"This is that (spirit) of antichrist.....WHAT ANTICHRIST?...The spirit OF the ONE antichrist that I said was coming in 1John 2:18.....

John was telling us that the ONE antichrist is coming, but his spirit is already in the world.

You continue to act as if 1John 2:18 does not exist....I want you to explain the meaning of this scripture and nothing else..... Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come......

Waiting for your explanation....We will soon find out who is really avoiding what John said.
 
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doulos

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DULOS

you said: “this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

I'm only responding to this again not for your sake because you are beyond reasoning with, this is for those that want to know the truth.

"This is that (spirit) of antichrist.....WHAT ANTICHRIST?...The spirit OF the ONE antichrist that I said was coming in 1John 2:18.....

John was telling us that the ONE antichrist is coming, but his spirit is already in the world.

You continue to act as if 1John 2:18 does not exist....I want you to explain the meaning of this scripture and nothing else..... Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come......

Waiting for your explanation....We will soon find out who is really avoiding what John said.
I am not the one avoiding what John said. I accept what John said. In 1John2:18 John said "ye have heard antichrist shall come" He also told us exactly who it was in 1John4:3 when he said "this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. " Remember the word spirit that is italicized was added by the translators. The antichrist they heard shall come is already here believe John or continue to promote the fallacy that this is a future event. The choice is yours. Beating a dead horse won't change the fact that the antichrist John said ye have heard shall come is alrady here and has been since John wrote those verses.
 
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IMINJC

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DOULOS


YOU SAID: I agree that he will sit in the temple of God but disagree with your definition of the temple of God. If God does not dwell in man made buildings then how can a man made building be the temple of God? It can’t. As I have already shown you we have a new temple (Hebrews8:1-2) and a new covenant(Hebrews8:13)

If God does not dwell in man made buildings then how can a man made building be the temple of God?

The Temple was built to honor the one and only true God...that's why it exists....Knowing what you Know...Would you feel comfortable walking into that building and going into the Most Holy Place to relieve yourself?...Oh? why not?....God doesn't dwell there anymore. You wouldn't do that because even though God doesn't dwell there anymore it's still an evil and disrespectful thing to do.....I rest my case.

When Paul made refference to the son of perdition sitting in the Temple he was referring to the Temple (Building) or else he would have given some explanation that he wasn't talking about the Temple (Building) as the commentator did when Jesus said "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up."

Where is your explanation other than your own false opinion?


YOU SAID:Didn’t satan enter Judas? Do you think you can’t be deceived by satan?

Sure I can be deceived, but this is not something that needs to be revealed to me as a sign before the Lord returns..are you kidding me? Everyone knows that this is part of the Christian walk, it goes without saying. This is not what Paul was talking about. And again...Paul would have explained to the early church that he was referring to their hearts not the (building) as it was still standing.
 
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IMINJC

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DOULOS


YOU SAID:"this is that spirit of antichrist


Right...Spirit "Of" antichrist... not... Spirit "Which Is" antichrist.


As I originally corrected you and will continue to do so...the antichrist is not a "spirit."
 
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doulos

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DOULOS
YOU SAID: I agree that he will sit in the temple of God but disagree with your definition of the temple of God. If God does not dwell in man made buildings then how can a man made building be the temple of God? It can’t. As I have already shown you we have a new temple (Hebrews8:1-2) and a new covenant(Hebrews8:13)
If God does not dwell in man made buildings then how can a man made building be the temple of God?
The Temple was built to honor the one and only true God...that's why it exists....
The temple you are referring to no longer exists. Although it was destroyed in 70AD it ceased to be the temple of God when Christ declared it desolate(Mat23:38) which was then reconfirmed when the curtain was rent in twain (Mat27:51), approximately 40 years before it’s destruction. Do you believe that a building Christ Himself declared was desolate is really the temple of God? Is the temple of God a desolate building?

Knowing what you Know...Would you feel comfortable walking into that building and going into the Most Holy Place to relieve yourself?...Oh? why not?....God doesn't dwell there anymore. You wouldn't do that because even though God doesn't dwell there anymore it's still an evil and disrespectful thing to do.....I rest my case.
Ridiculous at best, even a well mannered dog knows better then to relieve itself on the floor of any building.

When Paul made refference to the son of perdition sitting in the
Temple he was referring to the Temple (Building) or else he would have given some explanation that he wasn't talking about the Temple (Building) as the commentator did when Jesus said "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up."
Where is your explanation other than your own false opinion?
Your argument is not with me but with the man who told us about the man of sin. Remember it was that same man who also told us that the temple of God is the body of the believer (1Cor3:16-17, 2Cor6:16) or the corporate body of Christ (Eph2:19-21). Why one would assume that in this case Paul ignores the definition that he himself gave for the temple of God in favor of a building that Christ Himself said was desolate is beyond reason. I can understand how a Jew that has been given the spirit of slumber would believe a man made building can be the temple of God, but as Christians we should be able to recognize we have a new temple (Heb8:1-2) and a new covenant (Heb8:13).

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Didn’t satan enter Judas? Do you think you can’t be deceived by satan?
Sure I can be deceived, but this is not something that needs to be revealed to me as a sign before the Lord returns..are you kidding me? Everyone knows that this is part of the Christian walk, it goes without saying. This is not what Paul was talking about. And again...Paul would have explained to the early church that he was referring to their hearts not the (building) as it was still standing.
Paul defined the temple of God as shown above. Like I said before if you want to find the man of Sin look in the true temple of God. You won’t find him in some man made building that God does not dwell in.

DOULOS
YOU SAID:"this is that spirit of antichrist


Right...Spirit "Of" antichrist... not... Spirit "Which Is" antichrist.
As I originally corrected you and will continue to do so...the antichrist is not a "spirit."
Beat that dead horse all you want but we only heard once that antichrist shall come. Show me from the only 4 verses that use the term antichrist or antichrists where we heard of the one John was referring to when he said “this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world”

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Notice the bolded parts of 1John2:18 and 1John4:3 there is your answer my friend.

In the KJV the word antichrist is not selectively capitalized, and there was no upper/lower case in the original Greek. Clearly, from the verses above, antichrist is a SPIRIT, or THE spirit, that lives in the heart of anybody that denies that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, or denies that Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh, or denies that Jesus is the Christ (anointed one). Every man that denies the Son has not the Father and is antichrist, and also is an antichrist.

Since there are billions of antichrists - and no shortage from John's day forward - it would seem there cannot be a single antichrist - not in John's day - not today. An individual antichrist can only be just ANOTHER antichrist.

The following verse is sometimes understood to suggest an individual past or future "Antichrist", but Scripture shows us how to understand this verse perfectly:

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

How could the above verse make any sense if the first use of the term antichrist were supposed to be an individual person as "The" "Antichrist", when six words later we learn there are many antichrists? This is the only verse of those above that is generally construed to indicate a single individual as such. Let's develop our understanding by looking to another verse that also uses the term antichrist in a singular fashion:
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

You can see the singular "that", "spirit", "it" in this sentence and singular "antichrist", just like the singular "antichrist" in 1 John 2:18. The translators gave us a little extra push in 1 John 4:3 by inserting the word [spirit] a second time, further clarifying that the spirit of antichrist is this singular entity. Now look at how this makes the "little children" verse make perfect sense if, when you get to the first use of term antichrist, you understand it as THE SPIRIT OF antichrist:

John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard thatantichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Finally look also at how beautifully parallel these two verse snippets are:

"ye have heard that antichrist shall come"
"ye have heard that it should come"

Remember the point isn't to defned one's doctrine at any cost, but instead to search for truth. Why not address the questions I actually ask? Is it because if you answer honestly based on Scripture actually says (not your interpretation) you would have to put down your whip and change your doctrine?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The temple you are referring to no longer exists. Although it was destroyed in 70AD it ceased to be the temple of God when Christ declared it desolate(Mat23:38) which was then reconfirmed when the curtain was rent in twain (Mat27:51), approximately 40 years before it’s destruction. Do you believe that a building Christ Himself declared was desolate is really the temple of God? Is the temple of God a desolate building?



Ridiculous at best, even a well mannered dog knows better then to relieve itself on the floor of any building.



Your argument is not with me but with the man who told us about the man of sin. Remember it was that same man who also told us that the temple of God is the body of the believer (1Cor3:16-17, 2Cor6:16) or the corporate body of Christ (Eph2:19-21). Why one would assume that in this case Paul ignores the definition that he himself gave for the temple of God in favor of a building that Christ Himself said was desolate is beyond reason. I can understand how a Jew that has been given the spirit of slumber would believe a man made building can be the temple of God, but as Christians we should be able to recognize we have a new temple (Heb8:1-2) and a new covenant (Heb8:13).



Paul defined the temple of God as shown above. Like I said before if you want to find the man of Sin look in the true temple of God. You won’t find him in some man made building that God does not dwell in.



Beat that dead horse all you want but we only heard once that antichrist shall come. Show me from the only 4 verses that use the term antichrist or antichrists where we heard of the one John was referring to when he said “this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world”

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Notice the bolded parts of 1John2:18 and 1John4:3 there is your answer my friend.

In the KJV the word antichrist is not selectively capitalized, and there was no upper/lower case in the original Greek. Clearly, from the verses above, antichrist is a SPIRIT, or THE spirit, that lives in the heart of anybody that denies that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, or denies that Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh, or denies that Jesus is the Christ (anointed one). Every man that denies the Son has not the Father and is antichrist, and also is an antichrist.

Since there are billions of antichrists - and no shortage from John's day forward - it would seem there cannot be a single antichrist - not in John's day - not today. An individual antichrist can only be just ANOTHER antichrist.

The following verse is sometimes understood to suggest an individual past or future "Antichrist", but Scripture shows us how to understand this verse perfectly:

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

How could the above verse make any sense if the first use of the term antichrist were supposed to be an individual person as "The" "Antichrist", when six words later we learn there are many antichrists? This is the only verse of those above that is generally construed to indicate a single individual as such. Let's develop our understanding by looking to another verse that also uses the term antichrist in a singular fashion:
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

You can see the singular "that", "spirit", "it" in this sentence and singular "antichrist", just like the singular "antichrist" in 1 John 2:18. The translators gave us a little extra push in 1 John 4:3 by inserting the word [spirit] a second time, further clarifying that the spirit of antichrist is this singular entity. Now look at how this makes the "little children" verse make perfect sense if, when you get to the first use of term antichrist, you understand it as THE SPIRIT OF antichrist:

John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard thatantichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Finally look also at how beautifully parallel these two verse snippets are:

"ye have heard that antichrist shall come"
"ye have heard that it should come"

Remember the point isn't to defned one's doctrine at any cost, but instead to search for truth. Why not address the questions I actually ask? Is it because if you answer honestly based on Scripture actually says (not your interpretation) you would have to put down your whip and change your doctrine?
Your missing the most important points.

1. God had not been in the temple in jerusalem for many decades before Christ came to earth. So as far is it being desolate in the fact he was not there. It was desolate LONG before Christ even came to it, and long before he died.
2. Daniels prophesy concerned daniels people, who were in sin, and because of her sin were overthrown by Babylon.
3. When Daniel was given the prophesy, He was told of an abomination which makes desolate the temple (the temple of His people,)
4. Daniel would have taken it to mean one who abominates the inner sanctum of a temple which even to him was rebuilt. which occurred after the messiah was "cut off", the city and sanctuary itself destroyed by the roman people and a time period (unknown) when wars and desolation are determined. At which time, it still has not occurred yet, But the prince who will abominate it must confirm a 1 week (7 year covenant, And then in the middle of the week (finally) he commits this abomination.


if we look at the time period. Messiah was cutt off at the end of the 69th week. meaning the first 69 sevens have already been fulfilled.

Then we see (actually know now) that 40 years passed between this time and the destruction of the city and temple are destroyed. So we are ALREADY literally way beyond the 70 week time frame. (the city would have been destroyed at almost week 75 from the time the period was to start) and we have not even come to the conclusion of wars and desolations, or the Prince who is to come confirming this 7 year covenant. So as of right now we are WAY passed the literal 70- week period. and this time thing has not happened yet.

the point is. If Daniel would have understood a temple had to be rebuilt for the abomination to take place. We should also. The fact that God is in it or not does not matter, For he had not been in it for many years because of the sin of Israel.

Conclusion,

Before you tell someone to put down their whip, you should do the same yourself!


 
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Your missing the most important points.

1. God had not been in the temple in jerusalem for many decades before Christ came to earth. So as far is it being desolate in the fact he was not there. It was desolate LONG before Christ even came to it, and long before he died.
2. Daniels prophesy concerned daniels people, who were in sin, and because of her sin were overthrown by Babylon.
3. When Daniel was given the prophesy, He was told of an abomination which makes desolate the temple (the temple of His people,)
4. Daniel would have taken it to mean one who abominates the inner sanctum of a temple which even to him was rebuilt. which occurred after the messiah was "cut off", the city and sanctuary itself destroyed by the roman people and a time period (unknown) when wars and desolation are determined. At which time, it still has not occurred yet, But the prince who will abominate it must confirm a 1 week (7 year covenant, And then in the middle of the week (finally) he commits this abomination.


if we look at the time period. Messiah was cutt off at the end of the 69th week. meaning the first 69 sevens have already been fulfilled.

Then we see (actually know now) that 40 years passed between this time and the destruction of the city and temple are destroyed. So we are ALREADY literally way beyond the 70 week time frame. (the city would have been destroyed at almost week 75 from the time the period was to start) and we have not even come to the conclusion of wars and desolations, or the Prince who is to come confirming this 7 year covenant. So as of right now we are WAY passed the literal 70- week period. and this time thing has not happened yet.

the point is. If Daniel would have understood a temple had to be rebuilt for the abomination to take place. We should also. The fact that God is in it or not does not matter, For he had not been in it for many years because of the sin of Israel.

Conclusion,

Before you tell someone to put down their whip, you should do the same yourself!
Have you forgotten that we have a new temple and a new covenant?
Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

There is no need for a man made building to be the temple of God. God does not dwell in temples made with hands (Acts7:48 and Acts17:24). I can see how a Jew that has been given the spirit of slumber may fail to recognize what the temple of God is but as Christians we should recognize that man made temples ceased being the temple of God long ago and we have new tabernacle pitched by the Lord.
 
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Have you forgotten that we have a new temple and a new covenant?
Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

There is no need for a man made building to be the temple of God. God does not dwell in temples made with hands (Acts7:48 and Acts17:24). I can see how a Jew that has been given the spirit of slumber may fail to recognize what the temple of God is but as Christians we should recognize that man made temples ceased being the temple of God long ago and we have new tabernacle pitched by the Lord.
We are not talking about my temple. It has nothing to do with the abomination of desolation spoken of by daniel.

we are talking about the temple of Daniel and his people. and the temple Jesus said we would physically see the man of sin commit the abomination of desolation spoken of by daniel. No one can abominate my temple, it is sealed with the spirit.

I agree, we need to see the true temple. But when it comes to prophesy, we should see it as God said it will happen.


 
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YOU SAID: Daniel would have taken it to mean one who abominates the inner sanctum of a temple which even to him was rebuilt. which occurred after the messiah was "cut off", the city and sanctuary itself destroyed by the roman people and a time period (unknown) when wars and desolation are determined.

Excellent Posting!
 
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you said:Do you believe that a building Christ Himself declared was desolate is really the temple of God? Is the temple of God a desolate building?

This point is totally pointless when you consider what the prophecy actually states..... Made desolate AFTER Christ was cut off.

you said: Ridiculous at best, even a well mannered dog knows better then to relieve itself on the floor of any building

Yeah that's right...avoid the point, that was your best move here.

You said: Your argument is not with me but with the man who told us about the man of sin.

So I still see you havn't produced any scriptural proof that Paul was referring to the body and not the building when he made that statement huh? If we followed your lead we can make the Bible say whatever we want it to say. Im supposed to take your word for it?....No thanks.

YOU SAID: Since there are billions of antichrists - and no shortage from John's day forward - it would seem there cannot be a single antichrist - not in John's day - not today. An individual antichrist can only be just ANOTHER antichrist.

There may be billions of of Christians but that doesn't mean that there isn't one Christ....get ot yet? Your false doctrine has you focusing on the many and totally ignoring the ONE.
 
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YOU SAID: No one can abominate my temple, it is sealed with the spirit.


Amen!...But according to our friend "doulos"...your temple will suffer abomination before Christ can come...Christ won't come until this happens...until satan sits on the thrown of your heart and declare himself God...when you see this happen...only then can Christ return...because he is coming back for a Church without spot blemish, wrinkle or any such thing...and apparently satan sitting as Lord of our souls.