Trying to sneak extreme right wing politics into the Christian faith

1Christianwarrior316 · May 19, 2012

You’ve posted words that are completely out of context such as shaman and were showed the definition of shaman and sharia. Either you are not reading the responses or you are continuing to use this word in spite of being showed the meaning.
I myself am not an intelligent person but I try my best to make sure the message I’m trying to convey unto others is understandable and believe me sometimes I need a dictionary.

Actually brother I spend hours each day studying the Bible. I know what my Lord has revealed unto me through His Word and not by man’s precepts of His Word. I know people that have been studying all their lives and still are learning. I also know that Satan used God’s Word to tempt our Lord and Savior. Matthew 4:6

Obviously a typo in your above statement and I recognize it. Attaching/Attacking
Not attacking your education at all when a typo can be easily recognized.
If you feel that I have personally attacked your intelligence than forgive me.

Now peterT this is another personal attack which just shows everyone the lack of love you have toward any brother in Christ that disagrees with the doctrine you continue to cling to. If I hold the belief that Islam is the beast then why are you continuing to make personal attacks against me.
You said, ”It is not a sin to attack people’s doctrine it’s actually a precept”
But when someone disagrees with your doctrine as you clearly have demonstrated that this only applies to you.
I do believe that you love the Lord just as much as I do but I believe that man’s doctrine has blinded you to the truth. I know that I am not perfect and have made mistakes all my life and if I have accused a brother wrongfully than I have asked for forgiveness.
But I have never accused a brother of being led of Satan, an antichrist, a racist, or being on milk because their doctrine does not agree with mine.
Again I forgive you brother and pray that the love of Christ may fill your heart so with grace, salt, and love in Christ you may know how to answer every man.
　
In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

doulos · May 19, 2012

peterT said:

I don’t think he is picking on you but instead asking you to slow down and take time to use free online aids like spell check and online dictionary’s so that people can read and understand what you are trying to say. To be perfectly honest there have been times that even after reading your posts 2 or 3 times I had no idea what you were trying to say. Please don’t take what he said as an attack on you personally but as him offering a suggestion that would help you communicate in a way to promote discussion, instead of hindering discussion. The administrator 1still_waters said “I'm strongly encouraging folks to have some bare minimum of spelling, punctuation and text formatting in your posts before you hit that submit button. I don't think what I'm asking is difficult or requires a higher education. It's just proper courtesy to the readers of your posts.” in this POST[//b] <link
Friend it only takes a minute to use spell check and it doesn’t cost anything, I am sure it would help make your posts easier to read and understand which might even result in more people engaging you in discussion.

And as I have said before you need to get the milk right before you go on to the meat.

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It is not a sin to attack people’s doctrine it’s actually a precept

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This isn’t about attacking anyone, but instead discussing different points of view in search of the truth. Yet, you sir, have repeatedly ignored the points others make and attack them for standing against a false religion that requires all of its followers to be antichrist. Where does Scripture tell you to be politically correct and attack those who stand against a religion that requires its followers to be antichrists?

And after all we are at war in the spirit.

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So why do you continue to making it about being politically correct (flesh) condemning those who stand against an antichrist religion (spirit)? Show me where scripture says we should be politically correct and allow those of an antichrist religion access to our countries.

Agene you are still struggling with the milk, and you want me to believe you know the meat.

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2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Have you studied the doctrine he is promoting? Or did you reject it off hand before giving it honest and objective study because it disagrees with the doctrine you hold? Roughly 2000 years ago many of the Jews who condemned Christ did so because they thought they understood the prophecies telling about the coming Messiah. Many of those in today’s churches who are so sure they understand prophecy that they are unwilling to honestly and objectively consider other views risk being wrong just as the Jews were wrong when they condemned Christ. .Are you so sure you have it all figured out that there is no need to examine the possibility you could be in error?

peterT · May 20, 2012

1Christianwarrior316 said:

Interesting, you can do it but I can’t, it doesn’t sound like a just balance to me.

When I said, A gene you are still struggling with the milk, and you want me to believe you know the meat. This is not a fleshly attack it’s a spiritual discernment it’s in the spirit.

But has reading or writing or spelling got anything to do with Jesus.

Has reading or writing or spelling got anything with the Holy Ghost

Has reading or writing or spelling got anything sound doctrine

Has reading or writing or spelling got anything to do with the unjust or the just with righteousness and unrighteousness. This is an attack on the flesh which has nothing to do with the battle for Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:26For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 29That no flesh should glory in his presence.

And you accuse me of personal attacks against you.

There are no scriptures saying Islam is the beast of Rv13 and there are no scriptures saying there is no antichrist king/leader in the end, so how can the lord reveal it to you through His Word.

G4JC · May 20, 2012

Extreme right wing neo-conservatives aren't far right enough, and the liberal left isn't liberal enough. Technically both want endless wars on terror, chasing whatever terrorists are still left out of their caves in fear that they might still have some ammo, and both work passing the same laws with different means.
See also: Ron Paul: Far Right or Far Left? by Walter Block
Mitt Romney and Obama both agree on ObamaCare, so no vote! There isn't even a lesser evil. Mormon Mitt also heavily supports gay activism, as does Obama - do so-called conservatives even have a vote? Meh.

Anyway back off the political scene and about the muslims and evangelicals...
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w[/video]
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiMYRzFR2ZM[/video]
Personally I've never heard them call muslims the beast, most are embracing them as Chrislam, which is probably worse long-term. These so-called peaceful muslims get to come right into our churches and do whatever they want to us, if they blow us up we'll happily forgive them and blame it on fundamentalists.

Sooo... yeah not sure where you heard that information. From teh outback?

IMINJC · May 21, 2012

DOULOSE

YOU SAID: As I have shown you many times John told us exactly who the antichrist they heard shall come was when he said “this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” If you don’t want to believe John, I surely can’t expect you to believe me nit pic away.

I hate to keep beating a dead horse here because your right, this is not the thread to discuss this. So here's my last point on the matter on this thread.

I understand John perfectly, John had already identified what the antichrist was...a single individual.

1JOHN 2:18
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming

John then reinforces the fact that he was referring to 1 individual by saying the following...

even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

John then explains why there are many antichrists in the world besides the 1 that is still coming...

and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Even though the antichrist is still coming and may not physically be in the world as of yet, the spirit of that antichrist is already in the world....how do we know that? We can clearly see even today as John did then, those that deny that Jesus has come in the flesh.

1Christianwarrior316 · May 21, 2012

peterT said:

　
　

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

The word antichrist is used 4 times in scripture. 3 of the 4 verses that refer to antichrist define antichrist for us. No need to look to man’s definition of antichrist when the Word of God defines antichrist for us. So peterT, in the above verses that define antichrist for us by the Word of God, show me which verse says antichrist is a king/leader in the end. For one being on meat you should be able to show from the verses above by God’s definition of antichrist which one says antichrist is an king/leader in the end time. To use any other verse besides the ones listed above is only basing your understanding on man’s precepts of scripture and not what God’s Word defines what antichrist is.

I recognize the spiritual kingdom of the leopard, bear, lion beast in Rev13 as Islam and per your words it is “spiritual discernment,” for our battle is not with flesh and blood but a spiritual battle, (Eph 6:12). Islam is a beast that rips and tears it way destroying everyone in it’s path to make them submit to it. Submitting to a religion that denies Jesus is the Christ and is the very embodiment of what God’s Word defines what antichrist is. People who refuse to submit are infidels and are subject to beheading. (Rev 20:4)
I also recognize Mohammed as The False Prophet who claimed to have been a prophet of God but was in fact misled by demons (jinns) to write the Koran which is leading a lot of souls that follow his teachings into perdition.
But as I have said before, you will never see the beast as man’s doctrinal filters are upon your eyes and have you blinded from the truth.

You know peterT I asked you to forgive me (and have forgiven you) if I offended you and instead of accepting my sincere apology you continue to show that the love of Christ does not dwell in you. You continue to attack instead of being in an intelligent discussion of the way we may interpret scripture differently. Your thread, and I repeat, this is your thread that you started about right wing politics and how very little you have even made the discussion about this. Instead you draw people in so you may attack their interpretation of scripture which seems to be your only motive. While I may disagree with a lot of people here this I will say about them, “They have the love of Christ within them for even though they may disagree with my understanding of scripture they do not resort to personal attacks like you do. And even though a lot of people disagree with each other about doctrine on this forum most of them, not all, do so in a loving way,” but your responses are without salt, grace, or love in Christ toward your fellow brethern. And your personal attacks are in clear violation of TOS. Did you read the TOS? It is not a personal attack when a person is following the rules on this forum as you have been shown but yet you continue to disregard. You convey messages quite well as the last part of your quote that I quoted above demonstrates. But instead of correcting yourself when someone shows you an error, you call it a personal attack about your intelligence and attacking the flesh. And I'm not even going to address the "just balance" issue for those following this or any other thread that you and I are in can clearly see the balance of the scales.

You make an accusation about me being on milk and yet you know nothing about me, my life, my studies, or my love and devotion for my Lord Jesus Christ. What I do that I do, not according to my will but according to God’s perfect will for me.

Now may the Holy Spirit guide you to understand the following verses for you truly need to go back to the basics and learn what brotherly love and love in Christ is.
1Cor 13:1
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Cor 13:2
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Cor 13:3
And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profited me nothing.
1Cor 13:4
Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Cor 13:5
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Cor 13:6
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Cor 13:7
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Cor 13:8
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Cor 13:9
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Cor 13:10
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1Cor 13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1Cor 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
1Cor 13:13
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Rom 12:10
Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honor preferring one another;
1Th 4:9
But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
Heb 13:1
Let brotherly love continue.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

doulos · May 22, 2012

IMINJC said:

Beating that dead horse won't change the fact that John already told us exactly who/what the antichrist they heard shall come was and that it was already in the world when he wrote those verses.

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (notice the word spirit was added by the translators it is not in the original Greek manuscripts)

Show us where in Scripture where they heard the antichrist in 1John4:3 was coming?
Oh that’s right it was in 1John2:18!

“ye have heard”, “where of ye have heard that it should come” same one my friend. If your doctrine does not fit scripture change your doctrine not the meaning or intent of the verses your doctrine disagrees with.

IMINJC · May 22, 2012

DOULOS

YOU SAID: Show us where in Scripture where they heard the antichrist in 1John4:3 was coming?

It was Jesus that got this ball rolling when he instructed His disciples to read Daniel to find out about the one who was to come that would bring an abomination and desolation to Jerusalem.

MATTHEW 24:15-22
15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[c] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

DANIEL 9:25-27
25-26 "'Here is what you must understand: From the time the word goes out to rebuild Jerusalem until the coming of the Anointed Leader, there will be seven sevens. The rebuilding will take sixty-two sevens, including building streets and digging a moat. Those will be rough times. After the sixty-two sevens, the Anointed Leader will be killed—the end of him. The city and Sanctuary will be laid in ruins by the army of the newly arriving leader. The end will come in a rush, like a flood. War will rage right up to the end, desolation the order of the day.
27 "'Then for one seven, he will forge many and strong alliances, but halfway through the seven he will banish worship and prayers. At the place of worship, a desecrating obscenity will be set up and remain until finally the desecrator himself is decisively destroyed.'"

2THESSALONIANS 2:3
Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

These were just a few of the verses that was obviously taught to the early church that let them know that a single individual, or man of perdition must come before the coming of the Lord. When John referred to antichrist in 1 John, he was referring to this individual. They truly believed that they would see the return of our Lord in their life time, which is why they knew that the "son of perdition" "antichrist" or "abomination desolation" or "prince" or whatever you want to call him had to come before the Lord would return.

The fact that John said "many antichrists" is proof he was referring to 1 antichrist originally.

YOU ALSO SAID: (notice the word spirit was added by the translators it is not in the original Greek manuscripts)

And you don't see why they did?.... Let's compare.

And every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: and this is that christ, .... (doesn't work does it)

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that antichrist,

Do you see now?....Proper context of the verse is talking about "the spirit" of a person that confesses. So it's only proper to add....
"and this is that spirit of Christ" or....

"this is that spirit of antichrist.

Which means that antichrist is not a spirit as you continue to claim...you are wrong. If antichrist is a spirit and not an individual, then Jesus was a spirit and not an individual, because John uses them in the exact same context.

doulos · May 22, 2012

IMINJC said:

My friend you are beating a dead horse if you don’t want to believe John told us exactly who/what the antichrist they heard shall come was when he said “.this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come;” then your argument is with John, not me. As for me I’ll take John’s word on it. There are many individual antichrists, not just one, all inhabited by the spirit of antichrist.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

In the KJV the word antichrist is not selectively capitalized, and there was no upper/lower case in the original Greek. Clearly, from the verses above, antichrist is a SPIRIT, or THE spirit, that lives in the heart of anybody that denies that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, or denies that Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh, or denies that Jesus is the Christ (anointed one). Yes there are many individuals that are antichrists but what makes them antichrists is they have allowed the spirit of antichrist to inhabit their hearts. Not one verse in Scripture says that antichrist is an individual king or world leader for the end times. But Scripture positively states there are many antichrists past, present and future and they were already with us when John wrote those verses.

When Christ spoke of the abomination of desolation He was speaking about an it that is standing not a he that sitteth.
Mar 13:14But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Christ did not say when you see antichrist or him, He said it. The abomination of desolation has been standing where it ought not for over 1300 years. It was placed in 688AD, 1290days (each day for a year, remember a year to Daniel was 360 days) after the sacrifices were stopped in 583 BC.
Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Sadly those who did not flee Judeae when they saw it were either murdered or made dhimmies for the 42 months (each day for year 1278.5 years, remember a year to John was 365 ¼ days), the most spiritually and physically desolate period in Jerusalem’s history with it’s population dropping to a low of only 550 people. People who were not allowed to worship the one true God on the temple mount. Even as we speak the beasts (islams) hold on the mount remains (remember the court given to the Gentiles no time limit, but they only got the city for 42 months) .
and there is still a ban on Jews and Christians praying, but like it or not they can not stop visitors from praying silently.

Sadly this is something that the church has forgotten as the modern pop doctrines and newer bible versions entered the church in the 18th/19th centuries leading people from the truth.

As for as the man of sin, the son of perdition goes, where does he sitteth (a he that sitteth not an it that standing) he sitteth in the temple of God. Paul was the one that told us about the man of sin, where did Paul tell us the temple of God is?
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God
dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people
Eph 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the
foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner
stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple
in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through
the Spirit.
You won’t find the man of sin in some man made building the Jews may or may not ever succeed in building for man made buildings or not the temple of God. God does not dwell in temples made with hands Acts7:48 and Acts17:24. If you want to find the man of sin then look in the true temple of God, you will find him in the true temple sitting amongst the believers.

IMINJC · May 22, 2012

DOULOS

YOU SAID: There are many individual antichrists, not just one, all inhabited by the spirit of antichrist.

No argument from me there....but according to John, the one is still coming. That's how he starts out the subject....why do you ignore it? You recognize when he says the "many antichrists" as you should, but you refuse to recognize the "one."

You recognize John's decleration...and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

But you refuse to recognize John's initial statement.... Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come....because it doesn't fit your theology.

YOU SAID: Yes there are many individuals that are antichrists but what makes them antichrists is they have allowed the spirit of antichrist to inhabit their hearts.

100% Agreed.

YOU SAID: When Christ spoke of the abomination of desolation He was speaking about an it that is standing not a he that sitteth.

Yes you are correct about that...but the "It" that will stand in the Holy place will be placed there by the "he" that will one day sit in the most holy place.

DANIEL 11:30-31
30 For ships from Cyprus[i] shall come against him; therefore he shall be grieved, and return in rage against the holy covenant, and do damage.
“So he shall return and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 And forces[j] shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.

Who shall defile the sanctuary and take away the daily sacrifices and place there the abomination of desolation?...Yep he can be taught....the "he" and "his" forces.

Don't forget the Dome of the Rock was built by Christians. It was then later captured by the Muslims and they placed the Dome on top of the Church. So the saying goes...It has a Jewish foundation, with a Christian structure, and a Muslim ceiling, but this is not the fullfilment of any prophecy what so ever.

doulos · May 22, 2012

IMINJC said:

Like I said before you can beat that dead horse all you want but it is you that fail to recognize John told us exactly who the antichrist they heard shall come was when he said “.this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come;” Like I said your argument is not with me but with John. Like I said before if your doctrine does not match Scripture change your doctrine, not the Scriptures. What you are attempting to do is ignore what John said so you can force fit Scripture to fit your antichrist theory. Notice how well ye have heard shall come” coincides with ‘whereof ye have heard that it should come”. Deny it if you choose and beat that dead horse just be careful that by doing so you are not doing exactly as Christ warned against in Mark7:13.

Mat 24:15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand; )
Let’s keep it Scriptural as we can see the verse says holy place not the most holy place.There is no need to add most to what Scripture says unless of course one is trying to forcefit the Scriptures to match a doctrine. Rev11:2 tells us Jerusalem is the holy city, a city is a place so all that is required is that it stand in Jerusalem eliminating any possibility of the sacrifice being offered again.So a building standing on the temple mount 330 feet from the original temples location would indeed be standing in a holy place. In addition Scripture does not say the man of sin sitteth in the most holy place but instead the temple of God. Once again no need to change the temple of God to the most holy place unless of course one is trying to force fit the Scriptures to match their doctrine.
2Th 2:3 - 4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except
there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so
that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God
As I pointed out before it was Paul that told us this. Where did Paul say the temple of God was? 1Cor3:16-17, 2Cor6:16 and Eph2:19-22. If you want to find the man of sin look in the true temple not some man made building that is not the temple of God.
Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Brother have you forgotten we have a new temple and a new covenant.
Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

My friend may I suggest you do a little research on the dome of the rock. HERE <link is a google search for your convenience. Can you provide any documentation at all for the fallacy you promote that dome of the rock is a Christian structure with a muslim ceiling. Of course not because it is not true. Jerry Landay in his book, The Dome of the Rock (Newsweek, New York, NY, 1972) p. 18, records that when Khalifah Omar entered Jerusalem in 639AD, he was met by Sophronius, Bishop of the Jerusalem Church, who showed him around the city. Seeing the temple mount (then in rubble), Omar declared that he was going to build a memorial to Muhammad on the original site of the temple of God. Sophronius exclaimed in horror, "Verily, this is the Abomination of Desolation as spoken of by Daniel the prophet," and it now stands in the holy place. Though Sophronius was a very old man of about 80, Khalifah Omar put him in prison and to forced labor, the severities of which killed him. The Dome of the Rock being the Abomination that maketh Desolate is not a new theology. It's a truth that's been with the Church for over 1300 years, but somehow we have managed to forget the prophetic words of Sophronius, Bishop of the JerusalemChurch.

Be blessed my friend.

peterT · May 23, 2012

doulos said:

Your comments are way too world friendly for my liking.

James 4:4Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

2 Corinthians 6:17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

peterT · May 23, 2012

1Christianwarrior316 said:

Forgive you for what? you haven’t offended me.

Psalms 119:165Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

If you had bothered to look, I do put all my posts through spellcheck, but spellcheck cannot conceptualize, so what you see is what you will get, unless you can wave a magic wand and fix my English . So enough of picking on my flesh and the weaknesses of my flesh.

There you go again thinking it a sin to attack your interpretation of scripture.

2 Timothy 4:2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
1 Timothy 5:20Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Or is it just a sin when I attack your doctrine.

If I didn’t love you I wouldn’t have bothered

doulos · May 23, 2012

peterT said:

Yawn !!! ROFL and this from the one who is taking the politically correct stance instead of standing against a religion that requires all it's followers to be antichrist. Do you have anything productive to say? Or are you only interested in criticizing and attacking those who disagree with your doctrine?

1Christianwarrior316 · May 23, 2012

doulos said:

Doulos thank you for the link you provided as it provided some very interesting information indeed. On one of the sites there was a link to The Arabic Islamic Inscriptions On The Dome Of The Rock In Jerusalem which can be read in it’s entirety at the following link…
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/DoTR.html

Some of these inscriptions say,
He is One. He has no associate. Muhammad is the Messenger of God.
The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a Messenger of God, and His Word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and say not 'Three' - Cease! (it is) NE better for you! - God is only One God. Far be it removed from His transcendent majesty that He should have a son.
It befitteth not (the Majesty of) God that He should take unto Himself a son.
Muhammad is the Messenger of God, the blessing of God be
on him.
These words on a shrine to a false God on His Holy Mountain are truly an abomination indeed. Or as the Hebrew- English Bible translates a detestable thing that causes appalment.
יא וּמֵעֵת הוּסַר הַתָּמִיד, וְלָתֵת שִׁקּוּץ שֹׁמֵם--יָמִים, אֶלֶף מָאתַיִם וְתִשְׁעִים. 11 And from the time that the continual burnt-offering shall be taken away, and the detestable thing that causes appalment set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt3412.htm

Again thanks for the link brother.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

1Christianwarrior316 · May 23, 2012

peterT said:

LOL as you like to say "you are just making it up"! If you weren't offended you would not have accused me of picking on you when I made a suggestion, I think doulos has you pegged. Why not add something constructive to the conversation rather than just constantly attacking and condemning those who disagree with your futurist doctrine.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

doulos · May 23, 2012

1Christianwarrior316 said:

Those inscriptions speak volumes evn though the it that is standing has no voice. Maybe that is why one of the Jewish ranslations of the Tanach translate the following verses as they do.
Dan9:27 And he will strengthen a covenant for the princes for one week, and half the week he will abolish sacrifice and meal- offering, and on high, among abominations, will be the dumb one, and until destruction and extermination befall the dumb one.
Definition of DUMB
1a : lacking the human power of speech <dumb animals> b of a person often offensive : lacking the ability to speak
2: temporarily unable to speak (as from shock or astonishment) <struck dumb with fear>
3: not expressed in uttered words <dumb grief>
4: silent; also : taciturn
5: lacking some usual attribute or accompaniment; especially : having no means of self-propulsion <a dumb barge>
6a : lacking intelligence : stupid b : showing a lack of intelligence <asking dumb questions> c : requiring no intelligence <dumb luck>
7: not having the capability to process data <a dumb terminal> — compare intelligent 3a

Dan12:11And from the time the daily sacrifice was removed and the silent abomination placed, is one thousand, two hundred, and ninety.
Read them HERE <link

Could the court left out for the Gentiles be where the profane place stands? I think so!
Eze 42:20 He measured it by the four sides: it had a wall round about, five hundred reeds long, and five hundred broad, to make a separation between the sanctuary and the profane place.

tribesman · May 24, 2012

Some people look for conspiracies where there are few if any. In the west liberals and leftists have taken over much of the churches. I suppose they are the ones who have an interest to keep myths alive about extreme right-wing paper tigers.

IMINJC · May 24, 2012

DOULOS

YOU SAID: What you are attempting to do is ignore what John said so you can force fit Scripture to fit your antichrist theory.

No I acknowledge all that John has said and explained it all...look at my posts and see for yourself. You on the other hand have and continue to ignore what John initially said about the ONE antichrist that is to come...You have not expounded on that at all in any of your posts. (Smile)

YOU SAID: Once again no need to change the temple of God to the most holy place unless of course one is trying to force fit the Scriptures to match their doctrine

No need to force anything, the Temple is where he will sit, there are those who like to point to a specific place in the Temple where he will sit. What better place than the Holy of Holy's if he thinks he is God? hmmmm...think about it.

YOU SAID: As I pointed out before it was Paul that told us this. Where did Paul say the temple of God was? 1Cor3:16-17, 2Cor6:16 and Eph2:19-22. If you want to find the man of sin look in the true temple not some man made building that is not the temple of God.

And you say that I'm guilty of violating Mark 7:13?... This is what I call a far reaching theology... that is created to explain away the obvious when the obvious does not agree with ones interpretation of the Word of God...nice try doulos but this is false doctrine at it's best

2Th 2:3 - 4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God

According to you...The Lord's return can't happen until the man of sin is revealed inside of me?.. and he opposes and exalts himsef over God and declares that he is God?...in me?LOL...You really believe that's what Paul was teaching here?

Paul was letting the early church know...(because they truly believed the Lord would return in their life time) that before the Lord would return that they would see this man of sin come on the scene and sit in the actual temple (because it was still standing) and declare himself God. He started out with "Let no man decieve you" because there were many false opinions of the Lords return and some taught that he had already returned.

YOU SAID: Can you provide any documentation at all for the fallacy you promote that dome of the rock is a Christian structure with a muslim ceiling.

I must retract that the Dome of the Rock was built by Christians, but here is the information that I originally misunderstood....It is note worthy because it proves the saying..(can't believe you don't know this) Jewish foundation, Christian structure, Muslim ceiling.

Crusaders
During the Crusades the Dome of the Rock was given to the Augustinians, who turned it into a church while the Al-Aqsa Mosque became a royal stable. The Knights Templar, who believed the Dome of the Rock was the site of the Temple of Solomon, later set up their headquarters in the Al-Aqsa Mosque adjacent to the Dome for much of the 12th century. The "Templum Domini", as they called it, was featured on the official seals of the Order's Grand Masters (such as Everard des Barres and Renaud de Vichiers), and it became the architectural model for Templar churches across Europe. One of these typically Templar churches was the old Saint Michael church (until the 15th century) in Roeselare which is located on the extension of the orthodromic distance line from the Dome of the Rock to the Kokino observatory.
[edit] Ayyubids and Mamluks

Jerusalem was recaptured by Saladin on 2 October 1187, and the Haram was reconsecrated as a Muslim sanctuary. The cross on top of the Dome of the Rock was replaced by a golden crescent, and a wooden screen was placed around the rock below. Saladin's nephew al-Malik al-Mu'azzam Isa carried out other restorations within the Haram and added the porch to the Aqsa mosque.
The Haram was the focus of extensive royal patronage by the sultans during the Mamluk period, which lasted from 1250 until 1510.

peterT · May 24, 2012

1Christianwarrior316 said:

Love is to obey all the scriptures not just the ones that have the word love in them.

2 Timothy 4:2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

You say “it’s not Christ like”.
“It’s not love”.
“It’s not brotherly love”.
“It’s a personal attack on me”.
Did you hear Peter say to Jesus; it’s not Christ like, it’s not love when Jesus rebuked the devil from peter when he spoke nonsense and the words of man.

Did you hear Peter say to Paul, it’s not brotherly love and it’s a personal attack on me, when Paul rebuked Peter for going astray.

Was it love when Jesus made a whip and Jesus whipped and drove them all out of the temple.

It’s all scripture makes a picture of love, not just the scripture that has the word love in them.

Root out, pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, thus sayeth the lord to Jeremiah.

If we listened to you we would do nothing because it wouldn’t be love it wouldn’t be Christ like.

Your comments reminded me of the children of Israel crossing the desert and murmuring.
“it’s not Christ like”.“It’s not love”.“It’s not brotherly love”. “It’s a personal attack on me”. All we have to eat is this manna. Murmuring murmuring murmuring.

And if you do won’t to know what my point is, it is to expose you for prophesying lies, and the false prophets you are becoming and pretending you are strong in the word, but you are week in the word.

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

You are supposed to stand on scripture not hide behind them.

Trying to sneak extreme right wing politics into the Christian faith

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