Twinkling of an eye

preston39 · Aug 17, 2019

If you wish to insert that...please show scripture. It makes a big difference relating to many things including the marriage supper.

Wall · Aug 17, 2019

Noticed you did not post where that scripture can be found. Is that because that scripture is talking bout going to the cross and not to heaven?

To Ahwatukee

Ahwatukee · Aug 17, 2019

Wall said:

Which post are we talking about, so that I can include the scripture location.

Wall · Aug 17, 2019

Ahwatukee said:

Seems to be under all your posts

Ahwatukee · Aug 17, 2019

Wall said:

I usually include scripture in all my posts, although not all.

Absolutely · Aug 18, 2019

Wall said:

Taken up.
Jesus,elijah,the dead in Christ,the 2 witnesses,paul,the innumerable number,the alive ones in 1 thes 4,the 144k,the 5 wise virgins, and more if that is not enough.
But,on the other hand postribs got a doctrine to defend,and heaven is a big,big ,glitch.

Absolutely · Aug 18, 2019

The rapture is the gathering of the bride.
It boggles the mind that hardly anyone is aware of what the rapture is or the purpose of the 7yr trib.

Absolutely · Aug 18, 2019

The greatest event that is right on the horizon,and thread after thread on it as an abstract study on the bad things coming and who does or doesn't stay and lose their heads.

Almost zero on the bride.

Absolutely · Aug 18, 2019

preston39 said:

Where my father is.
Heaven.
You saying Jesus did not go to heaven?

preston39 · Aug 18, 2019

Absolutely said:

You can not answer a question with a question....?...are going to show scripture....? Just do..... or .....say no.

preston39 · Aug 18, 2019

Ahwatukee said:

I'm not buying into anything, because I have not studied new age religion, nor has anyone taught it to me.

Whenever anyone brings in another requirement for salvation along side of Jesus finished word on the cross, they are trusting in their own efforts. It takes the focus off of Jesus and puts it on their works. Whereas, when we trust in Christ as the One who provided salvation for us, we are focused on Him.

No one will be saved by keeping the ten commandments or by performing any other works. Those who are trusting in Christ and are filled with the Spirit, will have the desire not to sin, but we are not under the law. Scripture makes it very clear that no one will be justified by keeping the law.

"Put on the full armor of God, so that you can make your stand against the devil’s schemes," is referring to standing in every facet of faith in order to stand against the schemes of the devil, not the keeping the ten commandments.

Because we as Christians are sinners. And as John says, "when we sin, if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins.

Jesus came to fulfill the law which mankind was unable to do. Have never read:

"The sting of sin is death and the power of sin is the law."

When Jesus met the righteous requirements of the law, satisfying it completely, He took away the ammo that the powers of darkness used against us. The law condemns us when we fail at it and so Jesus met its requirements on our behalf. Now we are under a new covenant where we follow after the Lord and are led by the Spirit. Believers are no longer under the law. And attempting to keep the law cannot save anyone. As the scripture states:

"God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it. " (NLT)

Regarding the keeping of the law, Paul uses an illustration of Israel who is attempting to obtain salvation by keeping the works of the law:

"What then will we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because their pursuit was not by faith, but as if it were by works."

The question regarding salvation by keeping the law, was brought up when some Pharisaic believers were teaching that the Gentile believers must be circumcised and made to obey the Law of Moses, with the answer being as follows:

"But some believers from the party of the Pharisees stood up and declared, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses.” So the apostles and elders met to look into this matter."

"After much discussion, Peter got up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days, God made a choice among you that the Gentiles would hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe (Cornelius household). And God, who knows the heart, showed His approval by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as He did to us. He made no distinction between us and them, for He cleansed their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples a yoke (the law) that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

Below are other random scriptures regarding the subject of law vs. Grace:

" Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin."

"Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law."

"It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression." Ergo (The best way to not break the law is to have no law to break.)

"But now, by dying to what once bound us (the law), we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."

"Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes"

I hope that you will understand Preston, that we are saved by grace through faith and not by the works of the law. Our focus should be on Christ as the One who provided salvation for us. And that when we sin as Christians, if we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleans us from all unrighteousness. God see the believer with the righteousness of Christ because of faith. Believers do good words as a result of faith and will be rewarded for them. However, we are not saved by them.

No doubt Christ is the only way.

New age religion is not some school located in the jungle not readily available. New age religion is all around you..here on this forum...in 80% of posts here. Most new Bible have been produced since 1960...a time of great change in this society and world. Moral decay continues at a more rapid pace. All part of new age religion which professes many new interpretations consistent with the Bible telling us ...."in the end times there will be great deceptions".....we are there now.
If we are not aware of the Bible content we can easily be miss guided by opinion.

Ahwatukee · Aug 18, 2019

preston39 said:

My point is that my studies are all in the word of God. And so you are saying that I have learned new age from studying God's word.

Those "Great deceptions" is in reference to those on the earth during the tribulation. God will send strong delusion to the inhabitants of the earth to believe the miracles, signs and wonders that the false prophet will be performing as a means to give credibility to the first beast.

In regards to "Most new Bibles" now you are bringing into question the validity of the word of God. I continually look at many of the major translations when I do my studies, often looking at specific scriptures side by side for comparison. And for the most part, they all pretty much say the same thing, with some scriptural exceptions here and there. Therefore, I am not just getting my information from one translation, but I look at all of the translations and how specific scriptures are stated, the use of words and how they are used and their definitions. So please don't attempt to use the apologetic of new age teaching towards me.

preston39 · Aug 18, 2019

Ahwatukee said:

Nope...what is presented all around you includes...new age religion interpretation of scripture to include....OSAS, baptism not required, repentance not necessary Christ did it for us, ten commandments doesn't apply to current Christians,etc.
Just test advice with scripture and you will see the difference parlayed.

Scriptures must be kept in context as we apply them. Deceptions in no way was meant as during the trib period. The AC is in charge...he will not need to deceive you because he is a dictator.

Ahwatukee · Aug 18, 2019

preston39 said:

Many of those are false teachings. I do not believe in OSAS, but that salvation is dependent on faith from beginning to end.

Baptism is not required for salvation. If that were true, the thief on the cross could not have been saved, because he could not come down to have it done, nor could he do any good works. But he was saved simply by having faith when he said, "Lord, remember when you come into your kingdom. Also, if baptism was required for salvation, Paul wouldn't have said the following:

"For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel--not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power."

If baptism was a requirement for salvation, then Paul would have been guilty of not teaching something that would keep them from salvation. In addition, all of Cornelius household received the Holy Spirit while Peter was still speaking and that without being baptized, doing any good works or promising to keep the law. He later said that God justified them through their faith with the proof of this by giving them the Holy Spirit.

Repentance is necessary and that because its requirement is stated many times.

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At that time, some of those present told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. To this He replied, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered this fate? No, I tell you. But unless you repent, you too will all perish. Or those eighteen who were killed when the tower of Siloam collapsed on them: Do you think that they were more sinful than all the others living in Jerusalem? No, I tell you. But unless you repent, you too will all perish.” - Luke 13:1-5
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We are not saved by keeping the ten commandments or any of the other 600 Mosaic laws. Christ freed us from the law and everyone wants to get back under it. The law cannot save anyone. I have already produced the scriptures that say so. But trusting in Jesus as the One who provided salvation for you can and will save. Attempting to keep the ten commandments is trusting in ones own efforts.

As believers in Christ, we are not under the law, but follow Him and are led by the Spirit. When we sin as Christians, we confess our sins and He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness. The law is what gives Satan and powers of darkness their ammo against us and that because we are unable to keep the law. I'm just curious as to how you read through Roman's and Galatians without understanding that believers are no longer under the law, because Christ met its righteous requirements, satisfying it completely and that on our behalf. I know, because I have a multi page document which I wrote with all of the scriptures regarding salvation by grace through faith vs. the works of the law.

preston39 · Aug 18, 2019

Ahwatukee said:

Be careful....many use the thief but it is a falicy;...do you know that the thief on the cross had not been previously baptized?
Please show scripture. I know you can't.

He had familiarity with Christ and that would suggest He had fallen away from righteousness. No scripture.......an opinion.
On baptism...that is a statement which is not scriptural;

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Mark 1:4 tells us that baptism is for the remission of sins....."John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."

Acts 2; 38-40.... Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost....."save yourself".

Acts 22;16..... (Saul required to be baptized)...."And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

Matt.3;11...

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit [] and fire.

Matt 3;14,15... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fullfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

Matt., 28: 18-20... And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Mark 16;16... He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I Peter 3;21....... The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

John 3:5.... Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Gal 3;26-27..... For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ

Acts 2: 38-40.... Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the [a]remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this [b]perverse generation

Acts 9; 14,15,16,18..... And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Acts 8:12...... But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Acts 19:5-6..... When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom. 6;3,4...know ye not,that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 ....Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: like Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

There are more.
But, if you don't accept these of G-d's word no others will help you, probably."

Ahwatukee · Aug 18, 2019

preston39 said:

There is no scripture, but common sense tells you that if he had been baptized into Christ, he wouldn't have been on the cross as a thief. Your just scrambling for an apologetic. This is what many do in order to distort the truth. However, let's forgo the man on the cross and look at Cornelius' household. While Peter was still speaking, they all received the Holy Spirit speaking in languages and prophesying and that without being Baptized, performing any good works or keeping the law. As I pointed out, Peter said that God justified them through faith alone.

I refer you back to when Paul said, "The Lord did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel. If baptism was absolutely necessary, then Paul would have been condemning them by not baptizing them. Being baptized is a public display of ones commitment to Christ, but it does not save you. However, it is something that believers should do because we are told to.

garee · Aug 18, 2019

We know he was baptized by the Holy Spirit. It moved him to believe in a God not seen and that faith worked in him defending his new faith. You could say as if the armor of God . . . previously not having a faith that did come by hearing God not seen. He was saved by the unseen faith of God. . . it worked in the thief yoked with Christ to both will and do His good pleasure just as it does perform the unseen work of softening the new heart of any believer.

Its the same mutual faith as our fellowship of believers we have coming from His good news as that comes from hearing Christ. It is that which works in those brothers also who hold to the idea of OSAS. Christ is their confidence no confidence in the flesh of any sect or person.they are given the faith to understand if he begun the good work of his faithfulness in us he will continue to the end,.

For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now; Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: Philippian 1;5- 6 . . . . . . . . . . . .(His good work of faith he alone not seen is good. )

The next chapter Philippians 2:12-13 he explained how he works in us to make it possible to perform His will . 'He speaks of murmuring and needless disputes. It would seem to be a warning of pride to those who grumble and murmur of those brothers who lean more towards (OSAS)

If we would have that "kind of faith" that does work in us in respect to our own selves. . . . previously have none, zip then we are in danger of blaspheming the name or power by which we are called so that then we can believe giving us ears of faith.

If we would have it coming from him inspired from heaven as if it was us of us inspired from earth.. . . . We are made aware of that wile of the evil one.

We are Lovingly commandment not do have our new born again faith which comes from hearing God in respect to what the eyes see. This does not mean watered down grace. It is not something we can Judge If a person says he walks by faith we treat in in that way .God can cause the growth to both. If there is any. Even the Son of man Jesus would not stand in the holy unseen place of the glory of God . He said only God alone is good. Giving glory to the unseen Father. The faith of Christ the Holy Spirit of God not of us unless any man boast in false pride ….. blaspheming the very authority by which we can believe. .

James 2:1 (KJV) My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of "persons.". . . . . . (the things of men seen)

James 2:7 (KJV) Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

Its one of those doctrines that have been changed in a a fashion statement like the hair covering cerimonial law .. taking away the understanding of the rest of the chapter .

To obey the commandment not have the faith of God in respect to man seen opened the way of reconciling faith and works. Rather than trying to reconcile Paul's flesh against James flesh and blood.(whose the greastest ) No faith working there. LOL Just tooth and nails

garee · Aug 18, 2019

I would add as a offer. There are two kinds of baptisms . Christ performed the both ( John 3:25) One seen the other not.

It would seem many things are recognized after kinds . . . two make one. . two by two. . . and must be rightfully divided. as in how we can hear and see. One that comes by hearing the preaching of the gospel and the other as a ceremonial law a shadow revealing a person has a desire to preach the new tongue the gospel. . Water can be used as a witness to other of her new desire to do the will of another. It is not effectual but is a shadow . There are no sign gifts in that way as confirmation from heaven . we walk by faith. . the unseen

In that way Jesus said its a evil generation, the generation of Adam as unconverted mankind that does seek after one. (what the eyes see) No sign as a wonder was given . The sign of Jonas the last sign as a wonder or source of faith was fulfilled with the Son of man, Jesus . Both him and Jonas (parallel comparing parables suffering a living hell for three days and nights both strengthened by the same father in heaven enabling them to finish the work of faith that the father had begun in them

Wall · Aug 21, 2019

Absolutely said:

Im guessing your saying that you can show me the bride of Christ is gentile from the book of Ruth. Where in the book of Ruth?

garee · Aug 21, 2019

Wall said:

Ruth. . . meaning born again "friend" of God. God who loves his bride at all time..

The Moabites a tribe used to represent faithless gentiles as daughters of men .(non converted

Moab. . . "of his earthly father" natural born unconverted mankind

The Moabites the family incest..... kingdoms of this world..

Genesis 19:36-38 King James Version (KJV) Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day. And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.

Using the word Moabite to express our helpless as orphans and widows without Christ our husband. Using 10 like 100 or 1,000 to represent a unknow, called forever . In respect to the first creation .And not forever as without end but rather saying all the generation as the one generation of sinful men. Two kinds of forever used in the bible, one without end. The Christian's new beginning.

Deuteronomy 23:3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the Lord for ever:

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