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Wall · Aug 21, 2019

So your saying

Deuteronomy 23:3 (KJV)
3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

Scripture above says the bride of Christ is the gentiles?

WOW.

Deuteronomy 23:2 (KJV)
2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

Are they part of the bride also?

garee · Aug 21, 2019

Wall said:

We, I would offer were considered bastards faithless just as we were widows, without a eternal husband .

.James says its the kind of religion Abraham the father of many nations... puts his seal of approval on. His great mansion was built for orphans.It has plenty of room for bastards. . . which all were before the engagement. . . . . the graves were opened . . all the orphans entered

Moabites are used to typify a unbelieving gentile as did other surrounding pagan nations. . Them not entering "forever" was a way of saying natural man must be born again. Faith was not used as shadow of a source coming . . from other nations. At that time period he used the new nation set aside for that propose. . . Israel. . . a name that reflects born again used to represent all of mankind.

Its never about the flesh of one nation against another, rather than walking by faith. The forever and ever without end .

Ruth is a picture of the gentile a new creature drafted in as a friend of God. Not according to the flesh . A beautiful parable of the gospel working in the heart of a new believer to both will and preform a perfect witness.. . . our first experience of His love,

Absolutely · Aug 22, 2019

Wall said:

I don't know the exact figure,but will guess 90% of the church is gentile.

Ruth was a moabite. A gentile.
Naomi was the jewish companion.
It was ruth that married Boaz.
We clearly,clearly see a gentile bride.

Absolutely · Aug 22, 2019

Wall said:

David,the forerunner of Jesus is the descendant of Ruth.
Jesus claims David as relative.
You are misplacing verses.

You think the bride is not made up of sinners saved?
Many ex harlots and homosexuals?

Wall · Aug 24, 2019

Wall said:

Well guys, i think ill stick with what the scriptures say as to who the bride is.

JEREMIAH 3 [20] SURELY AS A WIFE TREACHEROUSLY DEPARTETH FROM HER HUSBAND, SO HAVE YE DEALT TREACHEROUSLY WITH ME, O HOUSE OF ISRAEL, SAITH THE LORD. [21] A voice was heard upon the high places, weeping and supplications of the children of Israel: for they have perverted their way, and they have forgotten the LORD their God. [22] Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the LORD our God.

Israel is the bride

JEREMIAH 2 [31] O generation, see ye the word of the Lord. Have I been A WILDERNESS UNTO ISRAEL? a land of darkness? wherefore say my people, We are lords; we will come no more unto thee? [32] Can a maid forget her ornaments, OR A BRIDE HER ATTIRE? yet my people have forgotten me days without number.

Israel the bride

JEREMIAH 3 [11] And the LORD said unto me, THE BACKSLIDING ISRAEL hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.[12] Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.[13] Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD.[14] TURN, O BACKSLIDING CHILDREN, SAITH THE LORD; FOR I AM MARRIED UNTO YOU: AND I WILL TAKE YOU ONE OF A CITY, AND TWO OF A FAMILY, AND I WILL BRING YOU TO ZION:

Backsliding Israel. I am married unto you. Israel is the bride. I will take you one of a city, and two of a family. Sound familiar?

LUKE 17 [33] Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. [34] I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER SHALL BE LEFT. [35] Two women shall be grinding together; THE ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER LEFT. [36] Two men shall be in the field; the ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER LEFT.

Sure does. And they are not going to heaven {as the rapturist claim} but are taken to Zion {Jer.3v14} for the 1000yr period of rest.

REVELATION 21 {9} And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I WILL SHEW THEE THE BRIDE, THE LAMB'S WIFE. {10} And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, {11} Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; {12} And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of THE TWELVE TRIBES OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL:

Theres the bride according to this new covenant scripture. Its the 12 tribes of Israel, just as the old testament says.

Ahwatukee · Aug 24, 2019

Wall said:

Well guys, i think ill stick with what the scriptures say as to who the bride is.

JEREMIAH 3 [20] SURELY AS A WIFE TREACHEROUSLY DEPARTETH FROM HER HUSBAND, SO HAVE YE DEALT TREACHEROUSLY WITH ME, O HOUSE OF ISRAEL, SAITH THE LORD. [21] A voice was heard upon the high places, weeping and supplications of the children of Israel: for they have perverted their way, and they have forgotten the LORD their God. [22] Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the LORD our God.

Israel is the bride

JEREMIAH 2 [31] O generation, see ye the word of the Lord. Have I been A WILDERNESS UNTO ISRAEL? a land of darkness? wherefore say my people, We are lords; we will come no more unto thee? [32] Can a maid forget her ornaments, OR A BRIDE HER ATTIRE? yet my people have forgotten me days without number.

Israel the bride

JEREMIAH 3 [11] And the LORD said unto me, THE BACKSLIDING ISRAEL hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.[12] Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.[13] Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD.[14] TURN, O BACKSLIDING CHILDREN, SAITH THE LORD; FOR I AM MARRIED UNTO YOU: AND I WILL TAKE YOU ONE OF A CITY, AND TWO OF A FAMILY, AND I WILL BRING YOU TO ZION:

Backsliding Israel. I am married unto you. Israel is the bride. I will take you one of a city, and two of a family. Sound familiar?

LUKE 17 [33] Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. [34] I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER SHALL BE LEFT. [35] Two women shall be grinding together; THE ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER LEFT. [36] Two men shall be in the field; the ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER LEFT.

Sure does. And they are not going to heaven {as the rapturist claim} but are taken to Zion {Jer.3v14} for the 1000yr period of rest.

REVELATION 21 {9} And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I WILL SHEW THEE THE BRIDE, THE LAMB'S WIFE. {10} And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, {11} Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; {12} And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of THE TWELVE TRIBES OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL:

Theres the bride according to this new covenant scripture. Its the 12 tribes of Israel, just as the old testament says.

Tell me something Wall, do you know the difference between a wife and a bride?

Israel = Wife, as in already married

The church = Bride, as in yet to be married

People offer up this apologetic all the time without even recognizing the difference. Israel is already the wife of God, where the church is the bride and will be present at the wedding of the Lamb as revealed in Rev.19:6-8. If you're already a wife why would you have a wedding feast?

Also, the New Jerusalem is not the bride of Christ, but it is those who will be in the new Jeruslem who are the bride. In support of this, the bride/church will be receiving her fine linen, white and clean at the wedding of the Lamb as revealed in Rev.19:8.

It is important to get away from the teachings of men and pay attention to detail.

Blessings in Christ

garee · Aug 24, 2019

Wall said:

Yes twelve plus twelve or twelve thousand times twelve thousand (144,000) having it respect the chaste virgin bride the church. She is shown in a parable chapter 12 of Revelation as the mother of us all..

Twelve tribes as gates to enter in the city the spiritual house of God made of on many "lively stones". prepared as the bride.. . as old testament saints. Twelve Apostles those sent out as walls or pillars in respect to new testament saints . . on this side of the reformation. . Having nothing to do with the flesh of any nation. Christ has come as the Son of man to describe, the one bride of Christ . The one time fleshly demonstration of the unseen work of the Spirit of Christ. Some cry out to a brick wall in hope of another demonstration .

Revelation 21 King James Version (KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

1 gospel, 1 bride.(not flesh and blood) God the father of all nations does no accept two timers. He remains faithful.

Absolutely · Aug 25, 2019

Wall said:

Well guys, i think ill stick with what the scriptures say as to who the bride is.

JEREMIAH 3 [20] SURELY AS A WIFE TREACHEROUSLY DEPARTETH FROM HER HUSBAND, SO HAVE YE DEALT TREACHEROUSLY WITH ME, O HOUSE OF ISRAEL, SAITH THE LORD. [21] A voice was heard upon the high places, weeping and supplications of the children of Israel: for they have perverted their way, and they have forgotten the LORD their God. [22] Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the LORD our God.

Israel is the bride

JEREMIAH 2 [31] O generation, see ye the word of the Lord. Have I been A WILDERNESS UNTO ISRAEL? a land of darkness? wherefore say my people, We are lords; we will come no more unto thee? [32] Can a maid forget her ornaments, OR A BRIDE HER ATTIRE? yet my people have forgotten me days without number.

Israel the bride

JEREMIAH 3 [11] And the LORD said unto me, THE BACKSLIDING ISRAEL hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.[12] Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.[13] Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD.[14] TURN, O BACKSLIDING CHILDREN, SAITH THE LORD; FOR I AM MARRIED UNTO YOU: AND I WILL TAKE YOU ONE OF A CITY, AND TWO OF A FAMILY, AND I WILL BRING YOU TO ZION:

Backsliding Israel. I am married unto you. Israel is the bride. I will take you one of a city, and two of a family. Sound familiar?

LUKE 17 [33] Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. [34] I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER SHALL BE LEFT. [35] Two women shall be grinding together; THE ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER LEFT. [36] Two men shall be in the field; the ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER LEFT.

Sure does. And they are not going to heaven {as the rapturist claim} but are taken to Zion {Jer.3v14} for the 1000yr period of rest.

REVELATION 21 {9} And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I WILL SHEW THEE THE BRIDE, THE LAMB'S WIFE. {10} And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, {11} Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; {12} And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of THE TWELVE TRIBES OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL:

Theres the bride according to this new covenant scripture. Its the 12 tribes of Israel, just as the old testament says.

Leave out verses,cherry pick others.
Pooof!
In your mind it is true!

garee · Aug 25, 2019

Ahwatukee said:

Yes details like what are the meaning of the words as to how the scripture define.

People offer up this apologetic all the time without even looking to the foundation as to the meaning of words. They simply literalize the signified meanings used in parables. . . the poetic language of God which could change the direction of the intent .

We are not to add new meaning to a word (Deuteronomy 4:3) it could change the commandment .

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Roman 8 If any man has not the Spirit of Christ than neither do thy belong to Christ our husband.

Israel . . . . . .a person who wrestles with men, flesh and blood as that seen, and with God not seen and overcomes with the power of God .(born again conversion.)

People offer up this literalized apologetic all the time without even recognizing

Christian a word that means "residents of that Holy City prepared as a bride" named after her founder Christ. .The promised new name that God name his beloved chaste virgin bride .Not all Israel is born again Israel, some remain as Jacob natural unconverted mankind according to the flesh .

Isaiah 62 For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. ...

God had revealed the difference bewtwen the things of men seen, and those of God, not seen.

God divorced the Israel that were according to the flesh under the old name Jacob (deceiver) Israel who the were Israel according to the flesh and not the spirit . They remained under the name Jacob, deceiver natural unconverted man or a outward Jew according to what the eyes see flesh and blood) and not into the heart by which God sees..

The new name he named His bride ...

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

garee · Aug 25, 2019

Israel

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Be careful on how we can hear..

Israel /Christian = Wife, as in already married

The church = Bride, as in yet to be had the officiating ceremony and is need of a bill of divorce showing death of a relation if she does not become the spouse .

Matthew 1:17-19 King James Version (KJV) So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.

One wife, one bride, one gospel.

Ahwatukee · Aug 25, 2019

Absolutely said:

Blessings Absolutely!

I don't know why people attempt to use this teaching. It shows that they are not paying close attention to scripture.

Israel was said to be the wife of God, i.e. already married. Where the church is said to be the bride of Christ, i.e. not yet married, but will do so in heaven during the tribulation period. According to Rev.19:6-8, it is at the wedding of the Lamb where the bride receives her fine linen, white and clean.

In an effort to produce their apologetic to protect their belief, they overlook this truth. The problem stems from adopting the teachings of men and not considering all related scriptures regarding any given Biblical subject.

Absolutely · Aug 25, 2019

Ahwatukee said:

Yes.
She is the wayward wife.
The church is the bride.
The last supper mirrors the jewish betrothal,and in the betrothal the groom would say" i go to prepare a place for you".
He would come for her usually at midnight at send friends to warn her. She would meet him before he reached her house.

Vivid picture of the rapture

Be well my friend.
You are an asset to the board.

garee · Aug 25, 2019

Ahwatukee said:

What does the scruiture say to one espouced to be married? Does she or he need a letter of divorcement to show the relationship is dead and they are free to marry another?

Why two brides as wives? Jesus puts no difference between a bride and his wife?

And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. Revelation 21.

Timothy is typified as a chaste virgin bride under the segregate mothertypfied by paul as shown in that parable. .

He knew the promises of his husband that he would never leave or forsake his church the wife. Timothy and Paul had the confidence coming from Christ that if their husband began the good work he would finish it.

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Dino246 · Aug 25, 2019

garee said:

Deuteronomy says nothing at all about adding to the meaning of a word. Perhaps you got the reference incorrect.

garee said:

You're adding to the word of God here. Romans 8:9 says nothing of "our husband".

garee said:

That's not correct. Originally, "Christian" was a derogatory term meaning "little Christ". Now it simply means "follower of Christ". While it has the implication that you describe, it doesn't have that meaning.

Unfortunately, your post demonstrates the very things you criticize. You don't carefully follow the actual words of the text, but instead inject your own views, definitions, and extra words so that the text appears to have the meaning you claim it has. You'd do better to let the text speak for itself, and interpret it without spiritualizing the meaning.

Josefnospam · Aug 25, 2019

The Rapture......What do you think it is

garee · Aug 25, 2019

Deuteronomy 4 King James Version (KJV)Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you. Ye shall not add unto the word (singular) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, (singular)that ye may keep the commandments (plural) of the Lord your God which I command you.

The other one at the end of the book of the law prophecy is in respect to the perfect.(nothing missing) both used to maintain the entegrity og the one author . Look alike at first glance but when searching out there is a clear difference. One is for one word (singular) and the other the whole written will of God the perfect law.

He is the Spirit of Christ the Holy Spirt of faith in that verse. The one Paul espoused to Christ. as a chaste virgin bride. If any person has not the husband of the bride then neither are they part of the relationship.

I have heard that it comes from those who want to make into a derogatory term crucify and take away the understanding of the Father.

The word "called" makes it personal from the eye of the beholder.. also beautiful city Nine time it is used in the new testament as a work of God .He has his meaning set aside representing the church as part of the new promised name. .Christian, "residents of the city of Christ prepared as the bride or wife" . Named after her founder.. Christ . Not of he Satan's inspired crowd .

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch

OK what does he say in respect to the promised new name...? What is the new one? Isaiah 62

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch

Ahwatukee · Aug 25, 2019

Josefnospam said:

Blessings Josefnospam,

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18Therefore encourage one another with these words."

Below is the definition of the word "harpazo" translated as "caught up." This is what is going to happen to both the dead and living in Christ when He comes to gather His church.

Strong's Concordance
harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away
Original Word: ἁρπάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: harpazó
Phonetic Spelling: (har-pad'-zo)
Definition: to seize, catch up, snatch away
Usage: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery.

HELPS Word-studies
726 harpázō – properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively – like someone seizing bounty (spoil, a prize); to take by an open display of force

Absolutely · Aug 26, 2019

Josefnospam said:

The greatest event since the advent.
Jesus gathers his bride.
The signifigance is demonstrated in his first miracle. That miracle has a hidden component.
Why is it signifigant that his first miracle was at a wedding?
The law of first = last.
The first miracle is the last miracle.

Wedding,wedding,wedding

Just as we could not have a resurrection w/o a death,there can be no wedding without a bride.

The rapture is the "school bus"
Why do we have a school bus?
The goal is the school.
The bus is merely the vehicle.

Wedding
Purpose
Groom
Bride
Betrothal
Interval
Gathering
wedding
Eternal covenant...cohabitation
Mat 25
1 thes 4
Rev 5
Ruth

You can not get ANY depth from end time prophecy without the wedding put on the table.
currently, only about 5% are paying attention.

Aware.
Unaware
That will always be with us.

Wedding.... Wedding is THE core of the rapture

Wall · Sep 7, 2019

Ahwatukee said:

REVELATION 21 {9} And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I WILL SHEW THEE THE BRIDE, THE LAMB'S WIFE

Nope. The bride and the wife are one in the same

Ahwatukee · Sep 7, 2019

Wall said:

Wall, you should understand that a bride is the betrothal period, i.e. the engagement period prior to becoming a wife. The wedding of the Lamb has not yet taken place and so the church/bride will take part in the wedding of the Lamb in heaven during the tribulation period (Rev.19:6-8).

Blessings in Christ

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