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I’m thinking that adam at one point had to decide should I be obedient to GOD or should I listen to the flesh which Is because I love eve?
Just wondering about that.🙂
1 Corinthians 7:33-34 KJV
[33] But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife. [34] There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

Adam is a picture of Christ and Eve is a picture of the church. The first Adam laid down his life for his wife in disobedience. The Second Adam laid down his life in obedience for the church!
 
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1 Corinthians 7:33-34 KJV
[33] But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife. [34] There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

Adam is a picture of Christ and Eve is a picture of the church. The first Adam laid down his life for his wife in disobedience. The Second Adam laid down his life in obedience for the church!
That is a great parallel!
 

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i don't think you are thinking straight.

Romans 1 is very clear that man is "
without excuse" -- that would be inclusive of the excuse "well i wasn't really clear on that"

compare this:

Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind;
when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:
They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.
(Proverbs 1:24-33)

this doesn't speak of someone who didn't have knowledge or was unclear.
it speaks of someone who was taught, who was reproved, who was counseled, but who hated and rejected all these things.
the judgement is that because they loved ignorance rather than knowledge, God gave them over to the depravity they preferred, in the flesh and in the mind.

it is exactly the same paradigm as Romans 1.

If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin;
but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.
(John 9:41)
now, if Adam was 'blind' when he listened to his wife, how is it that he is judged?
 
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The Bible says a Cherub or (the plural) Cherubims have wings and 4 faces each. Angels NEVER have wings and they appear as men in scripture very often. They are NEVER women nor are they babies (Cupid). Angels are also NEVER said to have mire than one face. The Cherubims have 4 wings.

Ezekiel 1:6-10 KJV
[6] And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings. [7] And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass. [8] And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings. [9] Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward. [10] As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.

The Seraphims or (singular) Seraph have 6 wings. See Isaiah 6:2. The Cherumims have 4 wings. The angels are NOT the same! They are all “heavenly hosts” I believe. However “the holy scriptures” never say either one are angels. I hope this helps some. God knows I’m still learning “the scripture of truth”
I would think the metaphors should be looked at to help narrow down on the possibilities of kinds of interpretation traditions. (like fingerprints everyone has one al little different or alien to the source of faith .The word of God . I would offer. .

Wings and faces, are metaphors that help us understand angels called Cherumims.

I would offer the spiritual understanding of that metaphorical description of a messenger ( Ezekiel 1:6-10) According to my understanding, is the Living word of God in respect to the knowledge of God. Knowledge referenced as the face of God and by the wings of His living words as messengers for God. We bring he plants and causes growth if any,

Wings speak of messengers. It would seem the Holy Spirit uses feet to convey the same for the human messengers the media that brings the living abiding word of God as it is written Not in respect to the wings of angels or feet of the other messengers.

Angel faces have to do with the knowledge they as lively messengers are carrying, Gods word.

It, I think would be like we know the "will of God" in the face of his knowledge. From face to face, or grace to grace for mercies sake. .

The glory for mercy sake.

Psalm 31:16Make thy face "to shine" upon thy servant: save me for thy mercies' sake.

The place Peniel mercy is applied, life is preserved.

Genesis 32:30And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and "my life is preserved".

The same what I would call a Peniel sign from God that Jacob received His new name under. New names speak of a change in government, or the restoring of a government.

Jacob (name meaning the deceiver) Once wrestled with men of flesh and blood had now been given a physical ailment that caused him to limb to remind him of his body of death. The new born again name was changed to Israel: meaning, for as a prince as a kingdom of believers you have power with God and with men, and have had success.

I would call the witness of the Spirit of Christ working in our bodies of death the treasure of Christ in us not of us

but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed

Peniel.(face of God) a sign that we have in these earthen bodies of death (Christ) to do enlighten our new hearts when we do not deny His face. We then can walk in the light of his countenance.

2 Corinthians 4:6For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Four, forty and even four hundred speaks of universal in what ever context. .

North, South, East , and West. Four rivers representing the gospel flow out of the presence of God in the garden of Eden. The four hundred years the Jews would be slaves in a foreign land and taken out and led towards a promised land to represent the New heavenly Jerusalem. The time of universal testing or trial, the daily trials of our new faith
 
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right, but prior to eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, did he have knowledge of good and evil i.e. of obedience and disobedience? Can you know one is correct and one is wrong if you have no knowledge of it?

Prior to eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God gave them the good commandment not to eat of the forbidden fruit or die. They did he have knowledge of good and evil in the face of God . God did not desire that they experience it by doing the will of another but rather believe as walking by faith . Faith hearing God not seen) was destroyed . Un-converted man has none., zip, nada
 
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1. Did God create man with a sin nature.

2. Does God view sin different if we are tricked by the devil. vrs listening to another.

Please be civil and present scripture proof. Personal opinions are just that. If you bring popcorn be willing to share. And please don't derail.
1. Did God create man with a sin nature.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Ecc 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

God created Adam in the image that He would reveal in the future, an innocent nature in flesh, and the image of God is the image of Christ, and Adam was made in the likeness of Christ.

But they had a choice, and that is why the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was in the garden, the only tree they could not eat of.

But it would of never entered their mind to eat of the tree unless an outside source tempted them besides the tree alone, for they knew of no other reality for it was not presented to them.

So God allowed Satan to tempt Eve which she told him that they could not eat of the tree, and stood firm.

But then Satan tempted her by giving her an alternate reality concerning the tree that they would be like gods, which God did not reveal that information to them, and possibly that God could not touch them in their exalted position.

So Eve sinned, and then she was the outside source that tempted Adam and he sinned.

Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

The angels were created perfect in their ways until they rebelled, so they also had a choice.

God did not create people, or angels with a sin nature.

Which the angels always behold the face of the Father for the little ones, for we are born with an innocent nature, and all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, for when we do the act of sin then we fall short of the glory of God.

We are not blamed for the sin of Adam and Eve, and it does not come upon us for everybody will bear their own sin, but when they sinned they then had a choice, so we are born with a choice, so we are born not knowing God, so all people will sin before they come to the truth and know God.

2. Does God view sin different if we are tricked by the devil. vrs listening to another.

There is no difference whether Satan tempts us, and we are deceived, or people tempt us, and we are deceived, for it is still our choice to make sure we know the truth, and to make decisions between right and wrong.

The only time that people do not have a choice anymore is when they follow the man of sin in the future, for it is a strong delusion, and all people that do not love righteousness will be given strong delusion to follow the beast, which they will be deceived by a devil when they are cast to earth, and it becomes their holding cell, and the human will is gone to make a choice, and they will have a nature of a devil.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro(advanced travel), and knowledge shall be increased(advanced technology).
Dan 12:5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

People can understand in the end time for they can see, hear, and know of what is going on in the earth, and how it is possible for the world to come together, which they will rebel against God.

Technology, and evolution, is the cause of why the world rebels against God.

Because of evolution, and the science community, saying we evolved, it caused the occult, and nature worship people to look at reality differently in which they believe we can still evolve to be greater, and spiritual, an ascended master, and avatar like the man Jesus, who do not acknowledge any God, but honors the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power.

So the occult is setting about to establish a kingdom based on their beliefs, and to produce the New Age Christ so they can evolve.

None of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand so God has to be working in their life, and even Jehovah's witnesses understand who deny the deity of Jesus, and that is because many are called but few are chosen.
 
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The Bible says a Cherub or (the plural) Cherubims have wings and 4 faces each. Angels NEVER have wings and they appear as men in scripture very often. They are NEVER women nor are they babies (Cupid). Angels are also NEVER said to have mire than one face. The Cherubims have 4 wings.

Ezekiel 1:6-10 KJV
[6] And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings. [7] And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass. [8] And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings. [9] Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward. [10] As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.

The Seraphims or (singular) Seraph have 6 wings. See Isaiah 6:2. The Cherumims have 4 wings. The angels are NOT the same! They are all “heavenly hosts” I believe. However “the holy scriptures” never say either one are angels. I hope this helps some. God knows I’m still learning “the scripture of truth”
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Satan must be a Cherubim.
 
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right, but prior to eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, did he have knowledge of good and evil i.e. of obedience and disobedience? Can you know one is correct and one is wrong if you have no knowledge of it?
They did not have the knowledge of disobedience for they only knew the reality God presented to them, and could think no other way.

Satan tempted Eve with a different reality saying that they will have an exalted position by eating of the tree, and they would not die.