Under Law? Under Grace? or both?
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Beware of misguided teachers of the law who teach "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works." (Galatians 1:6-9) 
1 Timothy 1:7
desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.
Sadly we have to many of these
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I think she sees what she wants to see.. Not only in scripture. but in what people say to her.
And as is usual with law keepers, They are to afraid to admit they are wrong.. If they admit they are wrong here. Maybe they are wrong there too.
Thats what happens when we are bound by rules. Not by Grace
And as is usual with law keepers, They are to afraid to admit they are wrong.. If they admit they are wrong here. Maybe they are wrong there too.
Thats what happens when we are bound by rules. Not by Grace
we belong to a new covenant we are in the gospel and word of Christ it’s that simple . We aren’t beholden to Moses law , but christs gospel is our faith. Grace and truth
“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
John 1:17 KJV
grace doesn’t replace “law” Grace offers the truth for salvstion to someone and if they believe they will be saved by thier faith like Noah
God decided to destroy mankind because they had become so wicked but Noah receives grace and is saved by his faith
“And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.”
Genesis 6:7-8
because Noah found grave in Gods eyes he told Noah the truth about what he was going to do and told him how to be saved
“And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.....
“And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.”
(Noah believed the lords word of coming destruction and salvetion from it so his faith operated )
Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.”
Genesis 6:13-14, 22
we’re saved by accepting the truth God has given us because we’ve found grace in his sight. If we are like Noah and have the righteousness of faith we don’t need the law of sin we believe what God said and walk by faith so the law is behind us we died to it in baptism
“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
Romans 7:4 KJV
The new thing we’re married to after we were released from the law is the gospel which causes fruit to come forth
the law it’s for unrepentant and non believing people servants of sin who have no repentance about it
“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
1 Timothy 1:9-10 KJV
faith is like Noah who heard and believed Gods word to him and of course walked in that faith Gods word created in him because he did believe
“By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house;
by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
Hebrews 11:7 KJV
remember that Noah lives in a time before the law was in the earth at all , Noah simply heard and believed the truth God told him about the end of the world and how Noah and his family could be saved that’s what we need to do hear and believe the truth knowing it’s grace that brought salvation but Noah’s belief in what God saying being true is what faith saved him
“So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
Matthew 13:49-50 KJV
If we believe the truth about sin and repentance
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
about eternal Judgement and our own accountability to Jesus not Moses but to Jesus
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,”
Romans 2:5-8 KJV
then like Noah we can see what is coming and get ready like he did moving in faith but if Noah had decided e flood wasn’t really coming and wouldn’t get him anyways because God chose him to begin another covenant with he would never have moved and built the ark
what we believe guides our lives Noah believed Gods word and was saved we can also do the same the law has nothing to do with it like it didn’t for Noah , Abraham Isaac or Jacob , Enoch ect christs word is our faith
“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
John 1:17 KJV
grace doesn’t replace “law” Grace offers the truth for salvstion to someone and if they believe they will be saved by thier faith like Noah
God decided to destroy mankind because they had become so wicked but Noah receives grace and is saved by his faith
“And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.”
Genesis 6:7-8
because Noah found grave in Gods eyes he told Noah the truth about what he was going to do and told him how to be saved
“And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.....
“And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.”
(Noah believed the lords word of coming destruction and salvetion from it so his faith operated )
Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.”
Genesis 6:13-14, 22
we’re saved by accepting the truth God has given us because we’ve found grace in his sight. If we are like Noah and have the righteousness of faith we don’t need the law of sin we believe what God said and walk by faith so the law is behind us we died to it in baptism
“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
Romans 7:4 KJV
The new thing we’re married to after we were released from the law is the gospel which causes fruit to come forth
the law it’s for unrepentant and non believing people servants of sin who have no repentance about it
“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
1 Timothy 1:9-10 KJV
faith is like Noah who heard and believed Gods word to him and of course walked in that faith Gods word created in him because he did believe
“By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house;
by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
Hebrews 11:7 KJV
remember that Noah lives in a time before the law was in the earth at all , Noah simply heard and believed the truth God told him about the end of the world and how Noah and his family could be saved that’s what we need to do hear and believe the truth knowing it’s grace that brought salvation but Noah’s belief in what God saying being true is what faith saved him
“So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
Matthew 13:49-50 KJV
If we believe the truth about sin and repentance
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
about eternal Judgement and our own accountability to Jesus not Moses but to Jesus
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,”
Romans 2:5-8 KJV
then like Noah we can see what is coming and get ready like he did moving in faith but if Noah had decided e flood wasn’t really coming and wouldn’t get him anyways because God chose him to begin another covenant with he would never have moved and built the ark
what we believe guides our lives Noah believed Gods word and was saved we can also do the same the law has nothing to do with it like it didn’t for Noah , Abraham Isaac or Jacob , Enoch ect christs word is our faith