Understanding God’s election
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Your lack of understanding is now evident as you cannot see how your false ideas have been exposed, so you now try and ridicule those who you cannot understand. You forget that people can examine your posts and see the unbiblical ideas you have offered.
maybe you can retract your posts before more people see these errors???
maybe you can retract your posts before more people see these errors???
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Another lame analogy! Everyone comes into this world spiritually suicidal. No unregenerate wants anything to do with the Great Physician for spiritual healing. This why God MUST draw (compel) helpless and hopeless suicidals to go to His Physician. "NO ONE CAN COME to me unless my Father draws him..." Conversely, most of us have no problem seeking out our own doctors to help with our physical problems. Furthermore, only the living can seek out doctors for help. But mankind is already spiritually DEAD, which is why NO ONE SEEKS after God (Rom 3: 11). And this is why God MUST draw men to his Son!
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Death = separation.
Permanent/total/ultimate death ONLY HAPPENS AFTER being cast into the lake of fire.
The only one who was judged to final ultimate death in Genesis 3 was Satan. PERMANENT SEPARATION in the lake of fire.
Adam and Eve were both SAVED at their trial after their confession. They received restoration and deliverance FROM the lake of fire.
Adam was NOT permanently separated from God.....because he was the victim of Satan's attack and God
PROVIDED a way of salvation for WHOMSOEVER chooses to accept the Gift of His Son.
[Gen 3:9 KJV]
And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where [art] thou?
God is NOT CALLING anyone in the lake of fire.
God IS CALLING those here and now who still have a CHOICE to make regarding their Savior.
And another thing: Adam was NOT CURSED. The GROUND was cursed.....FOR HIS SAKE!
This curse and hardship is part of God's plan of salvation.
[Gen 3:9 KJV]
And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where [art] thou?
[Gen 3:14 KJV]
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
[Gen 3:15 KJV]
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
[Gen 3:16 KJV]
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
[Gen 3:17 KJV]
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life;
[Gen 3:18 KJV]
Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
[Gen 3:19 KJV]
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return.
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Do the Calvinites rightly understand ANY of this? No. Do they care? No.
Rather, they ignore these lessons and conjure up any Schrodinger's cat pseudo-philosophical nonsense that makes salvation impossible.
This is the doomer Calvinte way.
Permanent/total/ultimate death ONLY HAPPENS AFTER being cast into the lake of fire.
The only one who was judged to final ultimate death in Genesis 3 was Satan. PERMANENT SEPARATION in the lake of fire.
Adam and Eve were both SAVED at their trial after their confession. They received restoration and deliverance FROM the lake of fire.
Adam was NOT permanently separated from God.....because he was the victim of Satan's attack and God
PROVIDED a way of salvation for WHOMSOEVER chooses to accept the Gift of His Son.
[Gen 3:9 KJV]
And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where [art] thou?
God is NOT CALLING anyone in the lake of fire.
God IS CALLING those here and now who still have a CHOICE to make regarding their Savior.
And another thing: Adam was NOT CURSED. The GROUND was cursed.....FOR HIS SAKE!
This curse and hardship is part of God's plan of salvation.
[Gen 3:9 KJV]
And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where [art] thou?
[Gen 3:14 KJV]
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
[Gen 3:15 KJV]
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
[Gen 3:16 KJV]
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
[Gen 3:17 KJV]
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life;
[Gen 3:18 KJV]
Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
[Gen 3:19 KJV]
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return.
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Do the Calvinites rightly understand ANY of this? No. Do they care? No.
Rather, they ignore these lessons and conjure up any Schrodinger's cat pseudo-philosophical nonsense that makes salvation impossible.
This is the doomer Calvinte way.
I don't know about the rest of you reformed folks, but I find much more than megabytes of irony in this self-deceived, awareness-free freewiller's post! How ironic is it that he appeals to the Parable of the Good Samaritan to prove something (God only knows what) when that parable should be the last parable that any freewiller should appeal to in the context of a salvation discussion! After all, the Good Samaritan RESCUED a HELPLESS crime victim -- a man Jesus described as half dead! Yet, freewillers are loathe to take this parable at face value and even more reluctant to draw parallels between between the Good Samaritan's salvation of this helpless crime victim and God's salvation of totally DEAD sinners who are even more helpless! When God does so much more for us helpless sinners by rescuing us, the freewillers reason carnally that God would be an unrighteous, unjust, tyrannical monster if, like the Good Samaritan, He stopped by the "roadside" to rescue any of us. If God is going to dare presume to rescue some helpless person, He is somehow morally obligated to seek the helpless person's permission or approval or acceptance of his help before proceeding any further.
How twisted is that kind of thinking!? Is that what any of us would do in the real world if we found someone in a helpless state, or would we, like the Good Samaritan, just jump in and do what we could to help? In FWT theology the Good Samaritan is actually more righteous than God!
How twisted is that kind of thinking!? Is that what any of us would do in the real world if we found someone in a helpless state, or would we, like the Good Samaritan, just jump in and do what we could to help? In FWT theology the Good Samaritan is actually more righteous than God!
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Look at who Jesus was talking about!
Does anybody understand what kind of fake believer He described?
Kenneth Copeland! Kenneth Hagin!
These two come to mind. Why?
Look at what they do!
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,
but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day
many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and
cast out demons in your name, and do many miracles in your name?’
And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me,
you workers of lawlessness.’
Matthew 7:21-23
These are the miracle worker evangeists and teachers we see today!
The gift of prophesy has ended. Believers argue over it today.
These fake believers could not have been performing their "act" in the power of the Spirit.
It is a countefeit, quasi - Second Chapter of Acts, demonically empowered show to draw
gullible and stupid believers away from,learning sound doctrine. They are workers of lawlessness!
Instead of believers growing daily in accurate teaching of the Word? (only a few can teach it).
These fake teachers (Jesus said, many of them) got people diverted away into all sorts of false teachings.
But! They say that they had the sight evidence!!!!! Right? (by faith, not by sight)
Many are suckered by them, and are suckered into allegedly speaking in tongues, etc.
Tongues that accompany a real power! Not God though.
That is exactly why we need to understand the temporary gifts!
Those whom Jesus will declare "He never knew them" will be working
withing demonic power to counterfeit what was the temporary gifts!
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Does anybody understand what kind of fake believer He described?
Kenneth Copeland! Kenneth Hagin!
These two come to mind. Why?
Look at what they do!
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,
but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day
many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and
cast out demons in your name, and do many miracles in your name?’
And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me,
you workers of lawlessness.’
Matthew 7:21-23
These are the miracle worker evangeists and teachers we see today!
The gift of prophesy has ended. Believers argue over it today.
These fake believers could not have been performing their "act" in the power of the Spirit.
It is a countefeit, quasi - Second Chapter of Acts, demonically empowered show to draw
gullible and stupid believers away from,learning sound doctrine. They are workers of lawlessness!
Instead of believers growing daily in accurate teaching of the Word? (only a few can teach it).
These fake teachers (Jesus said, many of them) got people diverted away into all sorts of false teachings.
But! They say that they had the sight evidence!!!!! Right? (by faith, not by sight)
Many are suckered by them, and are suckered into allegedly speaking in tongues, etc.
Tongues that accompany a real power! Not God though.
That is exactly why we need to understand the temporary gifts!
Those whom Jesus will declare "He never knew them" will be working
withing demonic power to counterfeit what was the temporary gifts!
......
For the real biblical record -- for those who really want to know what happened after the Fall -- read Gen 3 and other highly relevant passages for yourself. And when you do, you will find there is no biblical record whatsoever of our first parents' repentance; however, there is biblical evidence that Eve not only acknowledged God but had faith in him. Conversely, there is no such record for Adam who clearly, unlike Eve, was decreed to be the Serpent's seed.
You're still evading Jesus' four words. Rather than focusing on his words, your focus is on the hearers of those words.
Earlier GWH tried to twist Jesus' NEGATIVE words ("I never knew you") into a positive. You have already forgotten, Mr. Genez, your earlier take on those FOUR words when a few days ago you quoted from Genesis to wit:
Gen 4:1
4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
KJV
In the Septuagint the same word is used as in Mat 7:23.
Or even earlier than that post, I provided the same kind of clue from the NT to wit:
Matt 1:25
25 and [Joseph] did not know her [Mary] till she brought forth her son — the first-born, and he called his name Jesus.
YLT
Does this little exercise in word usage help you, Mr. GWH? Or do you still think you don't need help?
Tell us once and for all what JESUS meant by his FOUR WORDS -- "I never knew you". AND don't these words stand in sharp contrast to Rom 8:29; 11:2? And if not, why not?
Earlier GWH tried to twist Jesus' NEGATIVE words ("I never knew you") into a positive. You have already forgotten, Mr. Genez, your earlier take on those FOUR words when a few days ago you quoted from Genesis to wit:
Gen 4:1
4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
KJV
In the Septuagint the same word is used as in Mat 7:23.
Or even earlier than that post, I provided the same kind of clue from the NT to wit:
Matt 1:25
25 and [Joseph] did not know her [Mary] till she brought forth her son — the first-born, and he called his name Jesus.
YLT
Does this little exercise in word usage help you, Mr. GWH? Or do you still think you don't need help?
Tell us once and for all what JESUS meant by his FOUR WORDS -- "I never knew you". AND don't these words stand in sharp contrast to Rom 8:29; 11:2? And if not, why not?
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Everyone, this is a half truth that totally ignores the inevitable effects of death which is inability! Again,this demonstrates the effects that death has on this poster as it reveals his cognitive dissonance. He would easily in one breath admit to the inability of dead bodies from which souls have been separated, but then in the next breath deny vehemently that such an effect carries over to victims of spiritual death as well. I guess deep down he must believe that God ultimately used the wrong metaphor to describe man's dismal spiritual condition.
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This poster insist on perpetuating his falsehoods! He thinks Adam is the superhero of the fall and that God saved him, even though Gen 3 clearly implies that Adam was appointed by God to be one of the Serpent's seeds, since clearly he was decreed to be the Woman's seed. Also, there is NOTHING positive said about Adam in all of scripture. NOT a thing! But the opposite is true! Adam is contrasted with the Last Adam.
How many people here are looking forward to the Last Day when we all meet Jesus on his Judgment Seat only for him to tell any of us just how much UNLIKE him we are? Would we consider that to be a rebuke, or even worse, condemnation or commendation? Well, that is precisely what scripture does with Adam! Adam is a type of Last Adam by contrasts -- that reveals to us just how much Adam was UNLIKE his Antitype.
Everyone, this is a half truth that totally ignores the inevitable effects of death which is inability! Again,this demonstrates the effects that death has on this poster as it reveals his cognitive dissonance. He would easily in one breath admit to the inability of dead bodies from which souls have been separated, but then in the next breath deny vehemently that such an effect carries over to victims of spiritual death as well. I guess deep down he must believe that God ultimately used the wrong metaphor to describe man's dismal spiritual condition.
Folks there is actually truth to that! In fact, so "preeminent a type" that he has the very unique distinction of being CONTRASTED to his Antitype, which means Adam was very much UNLIKE Christ!
And Adam had to be someone's seed, and since there are only two seeds mentioned in Gen 3:15 and Adam is clearly not included under the Woman's seed, then this can only mean that he belongs to the Serpent.
And Adam had to be someone's seed, and since there are only two seeds mentioned in Gen 3:15 and Adam is clearly not included under the Woman's seed, then this can only mean that he belongs to the Serpent.