Understanding God’s election

[John146]

Folks there is actually truth to that! In fact, so "preeminent a type" that he has the very unique distinction of being CONTRASTED to his Antitype, which means Adam was very much UNLIKE Christ!

And Adam had to be someone's seed, and since there are only two seeds mentioned in Gen 3:15 and Adam is clearly not included under the Woman's seed, then this can only mean that he belongs to the Serpent.

Adam is a type of Jesus Christ. What the first Adam could not do, the second Adam accomplished.

Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Btw, the woman does not have a seed. Genesis 3:15 is showing us that the seed would come not from man, but from God through a virgin.

 

[cv5]

@cv5



Man isnt surely dead is he ?

As far as the doomer Calvinites are concerned......it's ALWAYS "that other guy.....that wretched UNCHOSEN reprobate over there".

Calvinite gatekeepers are guilty of the same massive failures of the doomer Pharisees. Huuuuge judgement sure to follow.

Bummer to be you

 

[Rufus]

@cv5



Man isnt surely dead is he ?

Nah...God was just pulling our leg. He didn't really mean "dead" as dead!

 

[John146]

Absolutely correct. Dispens must hate the Abrahamic Covenant and Romans 4 that teaches just who are the sons and daughters of Abraham.

Abrahamic covenant was to him in circumcision. Gentiles are not part of that covenant. Replacemt theology is false.

 

[John146]

As far as the doomer Calvinites are concerned......it's ALWAYS "that other guy.....that wretched UNCHOSEN reprobate over there".

Calvinite gatekeepers are guilty of the same massive failures of the doomer Pharisees. Huuuuge judgement sure to follow.

Bummer to be you

Why do they debate? God clearly ordained us to believe the way we do. They are actually going against that which God has ordained, tongue in cheek.

 

[brightfame52]

@Rufus

And Adam had to be someone's seed, and since there are only two seeds mentioned in Gen 3:15 and Adam is clearly not included under the Woman's seed, then this can only mean that he belongs to the Serpent.

I disagree, I believe Adam and Eve the women are One, and if the holy seed[Christ] is the seed of the women then the seed of Adam, also Christ according to the flesh was also in the line of adam Luke 3:23-38

23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,

25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,

26 Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,

27 Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,

28 Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,

29 Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,

30 Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,

31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,

32 Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,

33 Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,

34 Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,

35 Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,

36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,

37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,

38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

 

[cv5]

Adam is a type of Jesus Christ. What the first Adam could not do, the second Adam accomplished.

Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Btw, the woman does not have a seed. Genesis 3:15 is showing us that the seed would come not from man, but from God through a virgin.

Rufus can't even figure out who God is speaking to in Gen 3:15.

Appalling yes. But when you are consistently batting zero, nothing unexpected.

 

[cv5]

Why do they debate? God clearly ordained us to believe the way we do. They are actually going against that which God has ordained, tongue in cheek.

Calvinitie-ism is literally a heresy factory.
It's one after another coming off the assembly line.

 

[brightfame52]

Abrahamic covenant was to him in circumcision. Gentiles are not part of that covenant. Replacemt theology is false.

Thats false, it was established in Abraham before circumcision' while he was himself a Gentile

God introduced him into covenant here Gen 12:1-3

Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Now Paul said under inspiration that God by that promise preached unto him the Gospel

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Finally he was declared righteousness before circumcision' Rom 4:9-12

9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

And Peter identified that same promise as the covenant Acts 3:25

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Finally he was declared righteousness before circumcision' Rom 4:9-12

9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

So you giving out false information, clearly Gentiles are included in the Abrahamic covenant

 

[brightfame52]

As far as the doomer Calvinites are concerned......it's ALWAYS "that other guy.....that wretched UNCHOSEN reprobate over there".

Calvinite gatekeepers are guilty of the same massive failures of the doomer Pharisees. Huuuuge judgement sure to follow.

Bummer to be you

Tell us, we are not surely dead ! Rom 5:15

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead/half dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

 

[brightfame52]

Nah...God was just pulling our leg. He didn't really mean "dead" as dead!

I wonder what Jesus meant by this Matt 8:22

But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead. We know the one being carried was physically dead, but what about the one doing the burying ? How were they dead ? Surely not physically.

 

[cv5]

Adam is a type of Jesus Christ. What the first Adam could not do, the second Adam accomplished.

Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Btw, the woman does not have a seed. Genesis 3:15 is showing us that the seed would come not from man, but from God through a virgin.

And the thing is, Adam YEARNED to do and WANTED to do what he knew that only God could do. SAVE the bride THAT GOD GAVE HIM from sin and future total death in the lake of fire

And then God, recognizing their plight, and harkening to Adam's plea PROVIDED HIMSELF the sacrifice by promise.

[Gen 22:8 KJV] 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Do the Calvinites understand any of this? No. Do they care? No. Not really.
Because if they did they would repent in sackcloth and ashes weeping.

 

[John146]

Thats false, it was established in Abraham before circumcision' while he was himself a Gentile

God introduced him into covenant here Gen 12:1-3

Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Now Paul said under inspiration that God by that promise preached unto him the Gospel

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Finally he was declared righteousness before circumcision' Rom 4:9-12

9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

And Peter identified that same promise as the covenant Acts 3:25

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Finally he was declared righteousness before circumcision' Rom 4:9-12

9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

So you giving out false information, clearly Gentiles are included in the Abrahamic covenant

No covenant to Gentiles in Romans 4. The covenant God made to Abraham was to his physical seed and established through a physical sign of circumcision in Genesis 17.

 

[Rufus]

Adam is a type of Jesus Christ. What the first Adam could not do, the second Adam accomplished.

Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Btw, the woman does not have a seed. Genesis 3:15 is showing us that the seed would come not from man, but from God through a virgin.

Really? There's no woman's seed, except for Christ? What about all those who are IN Christ -- whose identities are inextricably linked to His? What about all those whose life has been and is and will be hidden in Christ? Satan isn't the enemies of all believers? Only of Christ? These questions are not to be inferred as me saying that Christ isn't the ultimate seed but that doesn't mean that thee aren't other godly seeds as well.

And Adam certainly understood the ramifications to this divine decree of reconciliation between God and the Woman. Adam understood that the "seed" or "offspring" of the woman also involved all her physical progeny who would trust in the coming Messiah, i.e. the Promised Seed. Adam named her "Eve" which means she would become the "mother of ALL the living" (Gen 3:20). And he wasn't talking just about her physically alive descendants. She would become the mother of all the spiritually alive. This stands to reason since God reconciled Eve unto himself. All future believers would, therefore, be included in her seed.

Gen 3:15 should be understood in the same way that Paul understood the "seed" in the Abarhamic Covenant in Gal 2. Here again, the ultimate "seed" is Christ, yet the promise is at the same time broader than just one seed, since Abraham was promised to become the father of many nations, and we also know that Abraham, like Eve, is the spiritual father of ALL believers (Rom 4; Gal 2, etc.). In other words, Abraham is the father of all those whose lives are hidden in The Seed, whose identities are entwined with The Seed's, who are ONE with Him!

 

[cv5]

I wonder what Jesus meant by this Matt 8:22

But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead. We know the one being carried was physically dead, but what about the one doing the burying ? How were they dead ? Surely not physically.

Did you know that Jesus God knows who will repent and who will not? And He alone is the judge of this matter?

But you do not know. What's worse, Calvinites think that EVERYONE is already dead, making themselves out to be the JUDGE. And they are not.

And what is even WORSE, they do not recognize this horrific sin and they will not repent of it!

Maybe the CALVINITES are those subjects of Matt 8:22 huh? Ever think of that buddy?

 

[brightfame52]

No covenant to Gentiles in Romans 4. The covenant God made to Abraham was to his physical seed and established through a physical sign of circumcision in Genesis 17.

Well you cant see it, too bad

 

[brightfame52]

Did you know that Jesus God knows who will repent and who will not? And He alone is the judge of this matter?

But you do not know. What's worse, Calvinites think that EVERYONE is already dead, making themselves out to be the JUDGE. And they are not.

And what is even WORSE, they do not recognize this horrific sin and they will not repent of it!

Maybe the CALVINITES are those subjects of Matt 8:22 huh? Ever think of that buddy?

Jesus should have said
Matt 8:22

But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the half dead bury their dead.

 

[Rufus]

"Give a Calvinite a Bible and a shovel and he will dig himself to hell."

Give a freewiler a bible and and a shovel, and he'll use the bible as horse manure to throw as much it to the barn wall as he can to try to make as much of it to stick to wall as possible to deceive people. This is what freewillers do! They take the Holy Word of God and trample it underfoot while pretending to be God-fearing gospel preachers or teachers.

 

[Rufus]

Well you cant see it, too bad

Not only that, but his objection is all wrong. No one here ever said God made any covenant with Gentiles or Gentile nations. What John doesn't want to understand are the terms to the Abrahamic Covenant, which includes the Gentile nations. The Gentiles participate in the Covenant due to God's promise to his chosen servant Abraham -- who himself at the time was even a Jew! How ironic is that!?

 

[cv5]

Jesus should have said
Matt 8:22

But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the half dead bury their dead.

What's this? Dropped the ball again have we? Well then you are definitely not playing on my team.