Understanding God’s election
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Those of whom I speak,as only can I do that for myself,are ones that presume to assail members of The Church on the basis of their hate,loathing,contempt,for Calvinism.
Pejoratives range from calling people Calvies,or Camvenites.
In truth I have arrived at the conclusion those ones are neither former Calvinists as they claim,nor are they obviously aware of the doctrine itself. In fact I don't believe they are members of The Church. This due to the concerted hatred and myopic attacks they make on those of us who defend righteous doctrine and even state we are not Calvanist.
Therefore,and I could be wrong about that last part of course, I don't believe identifying those disruptors is tearing down. vsister or brother.
Rather,it is pointing out the schemes of the Enemy among us.
However, I will with your permission copy your fine observation regarding The Church. And if they should assail one of my posts again rather than ignore them as usual I will paste your reply as encouragement for Church sisters and brothers so to not be led by those schemes to respond in kind.
Even when we post correction the schemers persist in their single minded assaults and error.
It is my hope with the addition of your words and our own and God's help the enemy shall cease . Or at least sicken of their efforts when we do not persist in trying to reach them.
Who preaches to the Devil,after all.
God Bless.
And thanks again.
Pejoratives range from calling people Calvies,or Camvenites.
In truth I have arrived at the conclusion those ones are neither former Calvinists as they claim,nor are they obviously aware of the doctrine itself. In fact I don't believe they are members of The Church. This due to the concerted hatred and myopic attacks they make on those of us who defend righteous doctrine and even state we are not Calvanist.
Therefore,and I could be wrong about that last part of course, I don't believe identifying those disruptors is tearing down. vsister or brother.
Rather,it is pointing out the schemes of the Enemy among us.
However, I will with your permission copy your fine observation regarding The Church. And if they should assail one of my posts again rather than ignore them as usual I will paste your reply as encouragement for Church sisters and brothers so to not be led by those schemes to respond in kind.
Even when we post correction the schemers persist in their single minded assaults and error.
It is my hope with the addition of your words and our own and God's help the enemy shall cease . Or at least sicken of their efforts when we do not persist in trying to reach them.
Who preaches to the Devil,after all.
God Bless.
And thanks again.
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They don't preach to the lost any more than bad Pharisees preached to the lost.
Why bother? Their ACTUAL message would be seen by the man on the street a total joke.
And it is EXACTLY the same false doctrine as Jesus warned about in His day by the way.
So ultimately Church is just a club for the elect as far as they are concerned.
The Pharisees thought they were born saved. Proven wrong by Jesus Himself.
Calvinites think they are pre-born saved.
I mean they don't even deny it for pity sake.
Why bother? Their ACTUAL message would be seen by the man on the street a total joke.
And it is EXACTLY the same false doctrine as Jesus warned about in His day by the way.
So ultimately Church is just a club for the elect as far as they are concerned.
The Pharisees thought they were born saved. Proven wrong by Jesus Himself.
Calvinites think they are pre-born saved.
I mean they don't even deny it for pity sake.
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why are people always condemning and telling each other they are wrong?
The enemy tears down but we are to build.....we are not to judge because the hand is not the eye it can't say it doesn't belong to the body...Father Loves diversity, if we cannot unite with people who are like us how will we fit into The Spirit World where there are Spirits who differ from us in a myriad of ways?
we are Abrahamic so The Test is how we unite with our Bretherin. look past each other's short comings because we all have them....The Law of The Prophets "
ServantofMostHigh
why are people always condemning and telling each other they are wrong?
The enemy tears down but we are to build.....we are not to judge because the hand is not the eye it can't say it doesn't belong to the body...Father Loves diversity, if we cannot unite with people who are like us how will we fit into The Spirit World where there are Spirits who differ from us in a myriad of ways?
we are Abrahamic so The Test is how we unite with our Bretherin. look past each other's short comings because we all have them....The Law of The Prophets "
ServantofMostHigh
It should seem odd to you because your ignoring the wider context in each letter.
According to Galatians you can undo what God has quickened by your behavior.
Galatians 3
You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?
This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing
with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
They had begun by walking by the Spirit but now were walking by the flesh.
Can you see the difference between the letter to the Ephesians and Galatians?
According to Galatians you can undo what God has quickened by your behavior.
Galatians 3
You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?
This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing
with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
They had begun by walking by the Spirit but now were walking by the flesh.
Can you see the difference between the letter to the Ephesians and Galatians?
John 16:8-9
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Matt 27:51
And behold, the veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
John 12:32
32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”
Luke 3:6
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.’ ”
2 Cor 6:2
For He says: “In an acceptable time I have heard you, And in the day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
Acts 16:31~~~Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved....
Equal privilege, equal opportunity for ALL.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Matt 27:51
And behold, the veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
John 12:32
32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”
Luke 3:6
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.’ ”
2 Cor 6:2
For He says: “In an acceptable time I have heard you, And in the day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
Acts 16:31~~~Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved....
Equal privilege, equal opportunity for ALL.
John 16:8-9
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Matt 27:51
And behold, the veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
John 12:32
32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”
Luke 3:6
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.’ ”
2 Cor 6:2
For He says: “In an acceptable time I have heard you, And in the day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
Acts 16:31~~~Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved....
Equal privilege, equal opportunity for ALL.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Matt 27:51
And behold, the veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
John 12:32
32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”
Luke 3:6
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.’ ”
2 Cor 6:2
For He says: “In an acceptable time I have heard you, And in the day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
Acts 16:31~~~Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved....
Equal privilege, equal opportunity for ALL.
Why are you avoiding the passage in Ephesians 2? And going out of your way not to have to deal with what is written, and the implications of it?
Verses 1-3 are clearly descriptive of unbelievers. And it clearly states in verse 5 that in this estate, God quickens them with Christ. Why is that so hard to admit?
Verses 1-3 are clearly descriptive of unbelievers. And it clearly states in verse 5 that in this estate, God quickens them with Christ. Why is that so hard to admit?
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Also, walking after the flesh is something you and I do every day. It doesn't mean necessarily that a person isn't saved. It can simply be a saved person is not humbled before the Lord and going their own way. We are still sheep after all.
Now it could be a person isn't saved if they never walk after the Spirit. But not of necessity. And neither does it mean one can lose their salvation. Otherwise, we would all have to get saved daily because no one walks in the Spirit continuously.
Now it could be a person isn't saved if they never walk after the Spirit. But not of necessity. And neither does it mean one can lose their salvation. Otherwise, we would all have to get saved daily because no one walks in the Spirit continuously.
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