Understanding God’s election
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Gods election I believe is nothing less than those whose names were written in the lambs book/register of life from/b4 the foundation of the world Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
This book of life will be divulged in the day of Judgment Rev 20 :11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
This book of life will be divulged in the day of Judgment Rev 20 :11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Jesus told Nicodemus that the Holy Spirit is like the wind and blows everywhere (everywhere includes all humans because all humans experience the blowing wind).
Therefore, God makes Himself known to everyone like Romans 1 explains.
But as Romans 1 explains, many will know who God is but choose to deny and reject God. But make no mistake, those people had the same chance to be saved as I did and am saved by God.
Therefore, God makes Himself known to everyone like Romans 1 explains.
But as Romans 1 explains, many will know who God is but choose to deny and reject God. But make no mistake, those people had the same chance to be saved as I did and am saved by God.
I'm not sure what makes you think that you just get to declare what a whole other group of people believe and condemn them all to hell, especially when I see you getting SO MUCH wrong, the biggest thing being accusing others of being Calvinist when they will tell you as strait forward as they can that they're not Calvinist. I want to be careful and very clear about this, I can't say you've done this to me personally, but your crew here in this thread have MANY times and you share their same style and beliefs, so I feel safe in assuming that you think you get to label others Calvinist if YOU feel they are and don't really pay too much attention to anything they say at all. If you are not like this then awesome, we might be able to actually talk to each other and glorify our God and King Jesus together for His glory.
However from your comment here it seems that you know everything and hold the authority to declare such sweeping condemnations on entire groups of people because of the mocking way you choose to look at your cartoon caricature version of what YOU say they believe. It's honestly become a tragic joke. I've had to stop interacting with most the CDSC (Calvinist Derangement Syndrome Cult) simple because they do this kind of thing. Act like they're on some Holy mission to destroy everything Calvin, only there are no real Calvinist here to go after, so they accuse others of believing something they don't, then go on to describe and attack beliefs that no one here was putting forth. They've now succeeded in splitting people into factions and have labeled it what they wanted to, but it's all pretend in their heads and there is no talking logically or in good faith with people who are so deluded that they don't even deal in reality at all and have to lie in order to feel they have purpose. It's honestly sad and I will not interact with these sad souls until they rejoin reality and treat others with dignity and respect,
So again I'm curious on why you think you have the authority or knowledge to make these kinds of comments? Do you think this is fruitful and glorifying to God? Do you feel you're fighting the real enemy here? Having to come to a Christian website to find your target? What's your goal with comments like this?
My goal is to bring the body of Christ together, that's why I'm making a comment like this, so I answered before you could throw it back at me. That's my motive.
However from your comment here it seems that you know everything and hold the authority to declare such sweeping condemnations on entire groups of people because of the mocking way you choose to look at your cartoon caricature version of what YOU say they believe. It's honestly become a tragic joke. I've had to stop interacting with most the CDSC (Calvinist Derangement Syndrome Cult) simple because they do this kind of thing. Act like they're on some Holy mission to destroy everything Calvin, only there are no real Calvinist here to go after, so they accuse others of believing something they don't, then go on to describe and attack beliefs that no one here was putting forth. They've now succeeded in splitting people into factions and have labeled it what they wanted to, but it's all pretend in their heads and there is no talking logically or in good faith with people who are so deluded that they don't even deal in reality at all and have to lie in order to feel they have purpose. It's honestly sad and I will not interact with these sad souls until they rejoin reality and treat others with dignity and respect,
So again I'm curious on why you think you have the authority or knowledge to make these kinds of comments? Do you think this is fruitful and glorifying to God? Do you feel you're fighting the real enemy here? Having to come to a Christian website to find your target? What's your goal with comments like this?
My goal is to bring the body of Christ together, that's why I'm making a comment like this, so I answered before you could throw it back at me. That's my motive.
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And again, lrs68 said:
So, then you do believe in God's effectual grace. Kool!
You have God raising the dead ("awakens us") that THEN "allows us to put our faith into action...". Faith follows as a consequence of God supernaturally awakening us! Can't beat that truth with a stick.
So, then you do believe in God's effectual grace. Kool!
You have God raising the dead ("awakens us") that THEN "allows us to put our faith into action...". Faith follows as a consequence of God supernaturally awakening us! Can't beat that truth with a stick. -
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You had me really confused for a second there! ... I thought you were referring to the Rufus, who hates free will.
... I thought you were referring to the Rufus, who hates free will.Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother, who has been a mother to me, too.
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............. Yay! Yay! PREACH IT BROTHER!!! DOGMATIZE HIM!!!!!!
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The Bema Seat..
Will present great heat!
To those who now believe themselves, and are wrongly, too sure.
They will wallow in humiliation... and in defeat!
But, for now, God has chosen.
Such as those... For us.
We must need to endure.
(1 Corinthians 3 11-15)
Totally wrong again! Certain specific individuals were elected/chosen. The true Church consists of those so chosen - it is not the reverse - that joining the church makes someone elected.
[Col 3:10 - 12 KJV]
10 And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
[Mar 13:20 KJV] 20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
In Eph 1:4, the "us", individuals, were the "chosen"; an "it", which would represent the church, as-in "hath chosen it", isn't in the verse.
[Eph 1:4 KJV] 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
[2Th 2:13 KJV] 13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
[Col 3:10 - 12 KJV]
10 And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
[Mar 13:20 KJV] 20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
In Eph 1:4, the "us", individuals, were the "chosen"; an "it", which would represent the church, as-in "hath chosen it", isn't in the verse.
[Eph 1:4 KJV] 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
[2Th 2:13 KJV] 13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
The Word is Christ! John1:1.
We have been given the thinking (mind) of Christ in writing!
It remains hidden to you.
Find a good teacher.... Can you pray for that much?
We have been given the thinking (mind) of Christ in writing!
My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have
the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God,
namely, Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. Colossians 2:2-3
It remains hidden to you.
Find a good teacher.... Can you pray for that much?
It does mean that if I've quoted them correctly. Conversely, just because you say so, doesn't mean I'm wrong.
To the contrary, what it does mean, is that your understanding of the scripture is perverted, and that you take incorrect and wanton liberties with it - changing it into what you'd like it to mean. So, refute those verses if you can. Talk is cheap (it's okay, we already know you can't do it).
To the contrary, what it does mean, is that your understanding of the scripture is perverted, and that you take incorrect and wanton liberties with it - changing it into what you'd like it to mean. So, refute those verses if you can. Talk is cheap (it's okay, we already know you can't do it).