Understanding God’s election

[Cameron143]

lol it's backed up by common sense. If you create something that's perfect you stop working. If it's not perfect you keep working until it is

Common sense isn't as common as you might think. One can say they believe it to be so, but to say...thus saith the LORD...is beyond scripture.
This type of reasoning can also lead to confusion because the word perfect is used in the Bible to mean maturity and not without flaw.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Common sense isn't as common as you might think. One can say they believe it to be so, but to say...thus saith the LORD...is beyond scripture.
This type of reasoning can also lead to confusion because the word perfect is used in the Bible to mean maturity and not without flaw.

Perfect means complete, ie, no more work to be done

G5046 τέλειος teleios (te'-lei-os) adj.
complete.

 

[Cameron143]

Perfect means complete, ie, no more work to be done

G5046 τέλειος teleios (te'-lei-os) adj.
complete.

Right. Complete doesn't mean without flaw. Neither does it mean there does not exist a better or higher estate.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Right. Complete doesn't mean without flaw. Neither does it mean there does not exist a better or higher estate.

You just don't get it

 

[Cameron143]

You just don't get it

Then that’s makes 2 of us.

 

[MeowFlower]

Why cannot flesh and blood be perfect? God ceased work on the 7th day because everything he made was perfect, ie, he didn't have to go back and redo anything

But God didn't say everything was perfect after he finished his creation and gazed upon it in judgement. He said, it was good.

Consider this. God created everything. In Eden he created both the tree of life and the tree of knowledge however, the tree of knowledge was forbidden to be eaten from.

Why?

When God judged all he created good,why was that one created tree forbidden? Because if its fruit was consumed Adam and Eve would die.
Yet,that tree was judged good by God when God judged all he had created good.

Why not forego creating that tree? Why did God create something he forbids access to?

And how did the serpent know which tree to slither into so to tempt Eve to eat of its fruit?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

But God didn't say everything was perfect after he finished his creation and gazed upon it in judgement. He said, it was good.

Consider this. God created everything. In Eden he created both the tree of life and the tree of knowledge however, the tree of knowledge was forbidden to be eaten from.

Why?

When God judged all he created good,why was that one created tree forbidden? Because if its fruit was consumed Adam and Eve would die.
Yet,that tree was judged good by God when God judged all he had created good.

Why not forego creating that tree? Why did God create something he forbids access to?

And how did the serpent know which tree to slither into so to tempt Eve to eat of its fruit?

When you design something and build it to spec, it's perfect. When God made creation he created it perfectly according to design. To suggest otherwise is just ridiculous. It wasn't perfection, it was a perfect work. That's why God ceased from labor; there was nothing else to do. The 7th day of creation witnesses of and glorifies God's perfection; that's why he blessed it and sanctified it.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

You folks are confusing perfection (noun) with perfect (adjective). Perfection is God. Perfect describes every work he does

 

[MeowFlower]

When you design something and build it to spec, it's perfect. When God made creation he created it perfectly according to design. To suggest otherwise is just ridiculous. It wasn't perfection, it was a perfect work. That's why God ceased from labor; there was nothing else to do. The 7th day of creation witnesses of and glorifies God's perfection; that's why he blessed it and sanctified it.

And still there was a tree that would kill whoever ate of it.

 

[MeowFlower]

You folks are confusing perfection (noun) with perfect (adjective). Perfection is God. Perfect describes every work he does

I'm not confused.

We're discussing the fall.

Do you see what you have said there?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

And still there was a tree that would kill whoever ate of it.

The fruit didn't kill Adam and Eve, their disobedience did. By disobeying God they knew evil, which created a separation between them and God, which was spiritual death.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I'm not confused.

We're discussing the fall.

Do you see what you have said there?

I'm not discussing the fall.

 

[MeowFlower]

I'm not discussing the fall.

Actually,you are. Consider everything you said about the creation.

That would mean the fall was part of Gods perfect plan.

 

[MeowFlower]

The fruit didn't kill Adam and Eve, their disobedience did. By disobeying God they knew evil, which created a separation between them and God, which was spiritual death.

The fruit was the catalyst.

 

[Magenta]

Me no cross you Magenta.

What a heavy handed blow that was, fabrications, red herrings, erroneous assumptions, and false accusations.

Ever thought of going into politics?

Really? The guy repeats his lies over several posts and that's how you respond???

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Actually,you are. Consider everything you said about the creation.

That would mean the fall was part of Gods perfect plan.

uh it actually was

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The fruit was the catalyst.

No, satan's deceit was the catalyst. Eve was perfectly content to not eat the fruit until she let satan put doubt in her mind.

 

[Genez]

But God didn't say everything was perfect after he finished his creation and gazed upon it in judgement. He said, it was good.

Consider this. God created everything. In Eden he created both the tree of life and the tree of knowledge however, the tree of knowledge was forbidden to be eaten from.

Why?

When God judged all he created good,why was that one created tree forbidden? Because if its fruit was consumed Adam and Eve would die.
Yet,that tree was judged good by God when God judged all he had created good.

The fall of man is a strategy and tactic of God, setting the stage for accomplishing his desire to make His enemies into His footstool.

 

[Magenta]

No, satan's deceit was the catalyst. Eve was perfectly content to not eat the fruit until she let satan put doubt in her mind.

One of the saddest things is that the lie Satan told Eve is repeated
to this day by Christians who apparently do not know any better.

 

[brightfame52]

That has zero to do with you saying Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Life before being banished from the garden. Unfortunately, you are not honest enough to admit that it is an assumption you have made, illogical at that, and rather than simply fessing up that what you claim is nowhere in Scripture, you resort to fabrications, red herrings, erroneous assumptions, and false accusations instead.

Learn the difference between a man made in the likeness of God and His Image and a squirrel mam.