Understanding God’s election
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The seven pearls indicate God loves everyone as He commands us to do.
I keep ignoring your blasphemous doctrine that demeans divine love.
Agape love for sinners is not love of sin/evil.
Your illogical condemnation of omnilove nullifies the righteousness of a just God who does not show favoritism,
but it can be hoped it is possible for sinners to have a saved relationship with God even while contradicting GW,
if somehow it does not disobey GRFS.
I keep ignoring your blasphemous doctrine that demeans divine love.
Agape love for sinners is not love of sin/evil.
Your illogical condemnation of omnilove nullifies the righteousness of a just God who does not show favoritism,
but it can be hoped it is possible for sinners to have a saved relationship with God even while contradicting GW,
if somehow it does not disobey GRFS.
Oh but I have read..let's seem Piper, Calvin, Augustine, Sproul, MacArthur, Packer and on and on.
Your gifted faith/birthed faith for salvation is not biblical, Greek being a gendered language makes it clear in Ephesians 2:8
Do you notice how the default is.... "you do not understand our system."
I mean is @cv5 and @Kroogz broke free I am encouraged for sure.
No point beating a dead horse, hopefully @studier is right, that there is always that slim possibility.. many are leaving the system so I have hope.
Your gifted faith/birthed faith for salvation is not biblical, Greek being a gendered language makes it clear in Ephesians 2:8
Do you notice how the default is.... "you do not understand our system."
I mean is @cv5 and @Kroogz broke free I am encouraged for sure.
No point beating a dead horse, hopefully @studier is right, that there is always that slim possibility.. many are leaving the system so I have hope.
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Your meme showed your ignorance. Your comments display your ignorance. It's one thing to disagree; it's another to disagree not understanding what the other side actually believes.
Example: no Calvinist believes in a salvation lottery. They believe that a person's name is written in the Lamb's book of Life or they are not.
Example: no Calvinist believes in a salvation lottery. They believe that a person's name is written in the Lamb's book of Life or they are not.
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Not in my case. In fact quite the contrary.
God is not profusely warning unrepentant sinners and angels are not rejoicing for the repentant sinner because a real choice granted within the bounds of our time constraint is as you say not available, not an operative principle and not effective.
Quite the opposite in fact, voluminously affirmed throughout the Bible ad infinitum from cover to cover.
Is that understandable?
God is not profusely warning unrepentant sinners and angels are not rejoicing for the repentant sinner because a real choice granted within the bounds of our time constraint is as you say not available, not an operative principle and not effective.
Quite the opposite in fact, voluminously affirmed throughout the Bible ad infinitum from cover to cover.
Is that understandable?
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In Psalm 100:2, it says to 'serve the Lord with gladness. ' Deuteronomy 10:12 says, 'Serve the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. ' Joshua says, 'As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord' (Joshua 24:15). And Paul in Romans 12:11 also tells us to 'serve the Lord.
There's several more verses that tell us the same thing.
A person who doesn't know God can pick up a Bible and literally read over 30 verses that say, SERVE THE LORD. That is a command. Even those whom God has manifested within a person's vision, mentality, subconscious, or their soul the command to them and to us is to SERVE THE LORD.
One way or another God makes Himself known to every person born and old enough to reason within themselves. And ultimately, God is commanding us all to SERVE THE LORD.
The teaching of Paul's Epistles helped me overcome the idealism I once was trapped in known as Reformed when Paul wrote: I ran my race and finished + I fought the good fight:
I ran my race and finished + I fought the good fight shows us Paul put a lot of effort into his walk with God. It shows that Salvation is a Gift from God but living for God requires a lot of effort. That is when I understood free will.
There's several more verses that tell us the same thing.
A person who doesn't know God can pick up a Bible and literally read over 30 verses that say, SERVE THE LORD. That is a command. Even those whom God has manifested within a person's vision, mentality, subconscious, or their soul the command to them and to us is to SERVE THE LORD.
One way or another God makes Himself known to every person born and old enough to reason within themselves. And ultimately, God is commanding us all to SERVE THE LORD.
The teaching of Paul's Epistles helped me overcome the idealism I once was trapped in known as Reformed when Paul wrote: I ran my race and finished + I fought the good fight:
I ran my race and finished + I fought the good fight shows us Paul put a lot of effort into his walk with God. It shows that Salvation is a Gift from God but living for God requires a lot of effort. That is when I understood free will.
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Is this just going to be another one of your avoiding actually working through Scripture as usual?
It looks to me with just one verse observed + 3 clarifying ones, that God is going through an awful lot of work and putting His people through an awful lot of work and turmoil to convince those He's already rebirthed or gifted with faith or???
It looks to me with just one verse observed + 3 clarifying ones, that God is going through an awful lot of work and putting His people through an awful lot of work and turmoil to convince those He's already rebirthed or gifted with faith or???