Understanding God’s election
- Thread starter dougcho
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
That is the beauty of exercising personal belief in the Gospel message... I did what Jesus told me to do. 
I see you didn't answer my question about whether or not God's power of influence and convincing of gospel truth was effective in your life. You surely are loathe to give God 100% credit for you salvation, aren't you? You just CAN'T freely bring that heart of yours to do it, can you?
-
1
- Show all
"Free will" in the Bible? ~ Freedom is something believers are called to (Galatians 5 verse 13). We need Jesus to “set us free” (Galatians 5 verse 1). If Jesus has not freed us from the bondage of sin, then we are still slaves to sin (Romans 6 verses 6-7). Freedom is found in the presence of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3 verse 17). Only Jesus can give us true freedom (John 8 verse 36). Only through His lovingkindness can we truly make choices unfettered by a nature that is inherently hostile toward God.
-
2
- Show all
True. Jesus said until heaven and earth disappear not one jot nor tittle will disappear from the law.
The 10 commands of God in the Old Testament hold today. They hang on the two Jesus told us about. Love God,love our neighbor as ourself.
The sum of the ten commandments communicate that.
God said his laws are written on our hearts.
Can you imagine a Christian who insists we have no moral guidelines written in our hearts?
The 10 commands of God in the Old Testament hold today. They hang on the two Jesus told us about. Love God,love our neighbor as ourself.
The sum of the ten commandments communicate that.
God said his laws are written on our hearts.
Can you imagine a Christian who insists we have no moral guidelines written in our hearts?
Put it in real life @Cameron143. Go back and read all your responses as if you're an unbeliever.
You offer a limited "Chance" to an unbeliever.
You do not offer hope to the unbeliever.
The lottery.
You offer a limited "Chance" to an unbeliever.
You do not offer hope to the unbeliever.
The lottery.
“Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, And not be written with the righteous.”
Psalm 69:28 KJV
everyones name is written and then because of thier actions many are blotted out . We can’t say they weren’t in there if he’s blotting them out right ?
“Thou hast rebuked the heathen, thou hast destroyed the wicked, Thou hast put out their name for ever and ever.”
Psalm 9:5 KJV
“Let his posterity be cut off; And in the generation following let their name be blotted out.”
Psalm 109:13 KJV
it’s not written there’s no reason to be talking about blotting it out but why would someone be blotted out ?
at he book was written before the beginning but names are blotted out of it itnisnt that they were never there
“Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin–; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. ( already has been written )
And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.” (But some will be blotted out )
Exodus 32:32-33 KJV
But How can we avoid being blotted out of the lords book of life ?
“He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.”
Revelation 3:5 KJV
So clearly this scripture can be misunderstood
“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”
Revelation 13:8
One could read that wrong not understanding the book and names are of everyone and along the way many get blotted out .
A final warning about how names can be removed based on the person actions
“and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
Revelation 22:19 KJV
This concept brother permeates the scripture it’s the same concept here
“Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.”
John 15:2-4, 6 KJV
It isn’t that the branches were never in the vine but they didn’t bear good fruit and withered and then were removed and burned up . But they were at one point branches in the vine . Just as their names were written by thier creator and later some were blotted out of the book or record of the living
Psalm 69:28 KJV
everyones name is written and then because of thier actions many are blotted out . We can’t say they weren’t in there if he’s blotting them out right ?
“Thou hast rebuked the heathen, thou hast destroyed the wicked, Thou hast put out their name for ever and ever.”
Psalm 9:5 KJV
“Let his posterity be cut off; And in the generation following let their name be blotted out.”
Psalm 109:13 KJV
it’s not written there’s no reason to be talking about blotting it out but why would someone be blotted out ?
at he book was written before the beginning but names are blotted out of it itnisnt that they were never there
“Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin–; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. ( already has been written )
And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.” (But some will be blotted out )
Exodus 32:32-33 KJV
But How can we avoid being blotted out of the lords book of life ?
“He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.”
Revelation 3:5 KJV
So clearly this scripture can be misunderstood
“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”
Revelation 13:8
One could read that wrong not understanding the book and names are of everyone and along the way many get blotted out .
A final warning about how names can be removed based on the person actions
“and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
Revelation 22:19 KJV
This concept brother permeates the scripture it’s the same concept here
“Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.”
John 15:2-4, 6 KJV
It isn’t that the branches were never in the vine but they didn’t bear good fruit and withered and then were removed and burned up . But they were at one point branches in the vine . Just as their names were written by thier creator and later some were blotted out of the book or record of the living
“Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
2 Corinthians 3:12-15 KJV
When we don’t realize there’s a New Testament
yes that’s what I was saying people can read tbat single scripture and misunderstand it
but the rest of the Bible talks about it also one verse theology never considers the other verses
“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”
Revelation 13:8 KJV
trying to base everything on how you are interpreting this single verse which is why I quoted all those other verses about how thoer names get blotted out of the book . You’re reading it as if only certain names were ever written in the book. Have to expand the information you take in about each subject
It’s saying that Jesus was purposed to be slain from the foundation of the world
“the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”
It’s referencing this
“but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world,
but was manifest in these last times for you,”
1 Peter 1:19-20 KJV
Jesus was always going to have to die and be raised up it was determined before the beginning but wasn’t manifest ntil the gospel events were fulfilled and he was actually slain it is t talking about particular names being there since beforehand but Jesus and what he did being ordained from before the beginning
2 Corinthians 3:12-15 KJV
When we don’t realize there’s a New Testament
yes that’s what I was saying people can read tbat single scripture and misunderstand it
but the rest of the Bible talks about it also one verse theology never considers the other verses
“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”
Revelation 13:8 KJV
trying to base everything on how you are interpreting this single verse which is why I quoted all those other verses about how thoer names get blotted out of the book . You’re reading it as if only certain names were ever written in the book. Have to expand the information you take in about each subject
It’s saying that Jesus was purposed to be slain from the foundation of the world
“the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”
It’s referencing this
“but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world,
but was manifest in these last times for you,”
1 Peter 1:19-20 KJV
Jesus was always going to have to die and be raised up it was determined before the beginning but wasn’t manifest ntil the gospel events were fulfilled and he was actually slain it is t talking about particular names being there since beforehand but Jesus and what he did being ordained from before the beginning