Understanding God’s election

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Magenta

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You calvies are incorrigible.

And you insinuate that we don't understand you!

You guys are considered saved in my book.

Very well versed, know the biblical stories and intellectual. But BABES in doctrine.
False accusations aside from you, which is typical anyways and really cannot expect any less from you
since that us how you started with me and seem incapable of doing anything differently EVER... interesting
that you could not simply answer the uncomplicated straightforward question. But again, not surprising.


This is why I rarely engage you. You are dishonest and have zero desire to change.
 

Magenta

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Of course you don't understand. You believe that the gospel is about choosing rather than a declaration of truth, that soils
can change themselves into other soils, and that the book of Life wasn't written before the foundation of the world.
First he says he does understand then he says he does not. Well, liars can't keep their stories straight. What a tangled web!
 

Magenta

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Let's see... is it understood when I say men do not have free will?

No, generally speaking and for the most part this is not understood at all.

What usually happens is people immediately jump to exclaiming that I am saying men are bots.

No questions asked, just a straight jump from an erroneous assumption to immovably false conclusion.

Or they claim I have said people do not have or make choices when I have never said any such thing ever.

That is just one example of how laughable it is for that liar guy to say he understands.

I know he does not. In fact his start in these threads almost a year after he joined was to make false claims about
how nobody was misrepresenting my views or the views of others, which was just another lie and misrepresentation.


Then he and people like him jump to, oh, you are a Calvie. While they ignore the Scriptures
I give which fully support my views. They sweep them aside, ignore them, refuse to deal with
them, reject them, deny them, outright pretend Jesus never said what He did. All so they
can cling to their false doctrine and traditions of man, Yes, I do understand.
 
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Your conclusion then?

Believers can be blotted out of the Book of Life?

Or is there another book that people can be blotted out from?

Call it what you want.

Believers CANNOT be blotted out of the book of Life. So there is another book.
Revelation 3:5
He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

when then gets there name blotted out?
 

Cameron143

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Your conclusion then?

Believers can be blotted out of the Book of Life?

Or is there another book that people can be blotted out from?

Call it what you want.

Believers CANNOT be blotted out of the book of Life. So there is another book.
Have you considered that it refers to Jewish genealogy? The Bible actually records people and families being blotted out.
 

cv5

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This should clear things up. No Calvinism noted here.

[Phl 4:3 KJV] 3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and [with] other my fellowlabourers, whose names [are] in the book of life.

[Rev 3:5 KJV] 5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

[Rev 13:8 KJV] 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

[Rev 17:8 KJV] 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

[Rev 20:12, 15 KJV] 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. ... 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

[Rev 21:27 KJV] 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

[Rev 22:19 KJV] 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.
 
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“Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, And not be written with the righteous.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭69:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

everyones name is written and then because of thier actions many are blotted out . We can’t say they weren’t in there if he’s blotting them out right ?

“Thou hast rebuked the heathen, thou hast destroyed the wicked, Thou hast put out their name for ever and ever.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭9:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Let his posterity be cut off; And in the generation following let their name be blotted out.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭109:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s not written there’s no reason to be talking about blotting it out but why would someone be blotted out ?

at he book was written before the beginning but names are blotted out of it itnisnt that they were never there

“Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin–; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. ( already has been written )

And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.” (But some will be blotted out )
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But How can we avoid being blotted out of the lords book of life ?

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭3:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So clearly this scripture can be misunderstood

“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭

One could read that wrong not understanding the book and names are of everyone and along the way many get blotted out .

A final warning about how names can be removed based on the person actions

“and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This concept brother permeates the scripture it’s the same concept here

“Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:2-4, 6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It isn’t that the branches were never in the vine but they didn’t bear good fruit and withered and then were removed and burned up . But they were at one point branches in the vine . Just as their names were written by thier creator and later some were blotted out of the book or record of the living
It's odd. It's written right there in your own post and you don't admit it's there.

“Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, And not be written with the righteous.”

Two different books.
 
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Your conclusion then?

Believers can be blotted out of the Book of Life?

Or is there another book that people can be blotted out from?

Call it what you want.

Believers CANNOT be blotted out of the book of Life. So there is another book.
There is another book.

Our names were written by God in the Lambs Book of Life before the creation of this world.

Thinking a name can be deleted when Jesus said,of all the father gives him he shall lose none,does not comport with Jesus resolve.

There are two books.

The Book of the Living is different than the Lambs Book of Life.

Have you ever witnessed anywhere else Arminians who hate Calvin so much that they see him everywhere they look?
They not only know nothing about Calvinism but they contradict Jesus just to get their dig in on those they see as Calvinist.

Unbelievable!
Pun. ;)
 
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What do you make of Romans 2:15? Heh, we also have at least one person here who claims the 613 mitzvot are written on our hearts.
Did you read the link, explain verse, on the Bible page linked to your verse?

The one who thinks the Mitzvot are written on their heart may be a Messianic.