Understanding God’s election

[Rufus]

Bingo! And that atonement is applied to those who believe.

But that's not what Jn 2:2 teaches. It simply says that Christ atoned for the sins of the "whole [Gentile] world", i.e. every man, woman and child on the planet w/o exception. Christ's atonement for John's original audience was effectual, since they actually believed. Therefore, the same must be true of Gentiles throughout the world.

 

[Cameron143]

Psa 127:1-3
God's hand is in many things that we often fail to consider. So, I don't understand why people think that it is our choice to turn to Him in faith without help from the HS.

Someone who desires God to be glorified is often found ascribing the glory to God. Go figure. He that plants and waters are nothing. God gives the increase.

 

[Rufus]

This actually is one of your better posts and well thought out even though man still has free will and we see this in Romans 1 how they reject God after knowing who He is.

So, you will agree then with what these passages teach: Prov 16:1, 9, 19:21; 20:24; 21:1; Jer 10:23; Dan 5:23?

 

[Mouse_Cheeks]

But that's not what Jn 2:2 teaches. It simply says that Christ atoned for the sins of the "whole [Gentile] world", i.e. every man, woman and child on the planet w/o exception. Christ's atonement for John's original audience was effectual, since they actually believed. Therefore, the same must be true of Gentiles throughout the world.

That's contextually incorrect.
Your ideology seems to espouse Universal Reconciliation.
That's not what Jesus taught.

 

[lrs68]

So, you will agree then with what these passages teach: Prov 16:1, 9, 19:21; 20:24; 21:1; Jer 10:23; Dan 5:23?

I agree but I can see there's the truth to each one of those verses and then there's the twisted version to make them match the Reformed Doctrine.

 

[Cameron143]

Twistin' the night away.

 

[Inquisitor]

The thing is, when we are not a Calvinist why would we care what a Calvinist believes.

Because there are a few facts about Calvinism that most do not understand.

Calvinism basically states that God's decision is final and you cannot do anything to change
His will. Your destiny is out of your hands!

 

[Mouse_Cheeks]

Because there are a few facts about Calvinism that most do not understand.

Calvinism basically states that God's decision is final and you cannot do anything to change
His will. Your destiny is out of your hands!

Well, the Bible says that in itself.

 

[Inquisitor]

You must have a slew of quotes by Calvinists to support your claim, right? Surely, you could easily post a few, right?

Don't need any quotations from Calvin.

God's Sovereign will is what Calvinism enforces and there are no, ifs or buts, about that.

Who cares what Calvin said?

These are not claims Rufus, billions of toddlers burn and that's God's eternal decree.

Tulip stands in Calvinism.

 

[Inquisitor]

Well, the Bible says that in itself.

There is a strong difference of opinion, people at times negotiated with God in the Old Testament.

In Calvinism, the eternal decree nullifies any human input or negotiation.

Take it or leave it.

 

[Mouse_Cheeks]

Don't need any quotations from Calvin.

God's Sovereign will is what Calvinism enforces and there are no, ifs or buts, about that.

Who cares what Calvin said?

These are not claims Rufus, billions of toddlers burn and that's God's eternal decree.

Tulip stands in Calvinism.

Really?
Post the scripture where God says,not John Calvin,toddlers burn eternally in Hell.
Does that decree in Calvinism include stillborn and newborns?

 

[Inquisitor]

Be like Jesus and there's a good chance for you.

You cannot alter your eternal destiny in Calvinism.

Who orders your steps in life; is it you or God?

 

[Inquisitor]

Isn't the probability higher that God would sovereignly choose to save babies according to grace?

Negative Cameron, only elect babies are saved and they are a minority.

 

[Mouse_Cheeks]

There is a strong difference of opinion, people at times negotiated with God in the Old Testament.

In Calvinism, the eternal decree nullifies any human input or negotiation.

Take it or leave it.

Didn't Abraham persuade God not to wipe out Sodom and Gomorrah as planned,if but one righteous person could be found there?

And this after God had said he was going to destroy both cities?

 

[Mouse_Cheeks]

Negative Cameron, only elect babies are saved and they are a minority.

So,a stillborn baby is going to go to Hell?

 

[Inquisitor]

Really?
Post the scripture where God says,not John Calvin,toddlers burn eternally in Hell.
Does that decree in Calvinism include stillborn and newborns?

Calvinism is what John Calvin believed.

God's Sovereign Will; if you understand those three words then you understand Calvinism.

So salvation is age dependant is it?

 

[Inquisitor]

Didn't Abraham persuade God not to wipe out Sodom and Gomorrah as planned,if but one righteous person could be found there?

And this after God had said he was going to destroy both cities?

If a righteous person could be found then Abraham wins.

King David had a choice of three judgements for his sin, famine, fleeing, pestilence.

God's will would be determined solely by David's decision.

 

[Inquisitor]

Well, the Bible says that in itself.

The Bible says a lot of things but I don't think God predetermined damnation for billions of toddlers.

That is the brutal conclusion of Calvinism.

 

[Mouse_Cheeks]

If a righteous person could be found then Abraham wins.

King David had a choice of three judgements for his sin, famine, fleeing, pestilence.

God's will would be determined solely by David's decision.

Wait. That conflicts with your earlier assertion. "The eternal decree nullifies any human input or negotiation."

 

[Inquisitor]

So,a stillborn baby is going to go to Hell?

You have a disconnect between God's Sovereign Will and your attempt to alter that Will.

For the little ones, Tulip holds regardless of your misguided feelings.

Tulip has nothing to do with the age of the recipient.