Understanding God’s election
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John 12 verses 38b-40 “Lord, who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the Lord
been revealed?” For this reason they were unable to believe. For again, Isaiah says: “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so that they cannot see with their eyes, and understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.”
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It’s really troubling to the spirit isn’t it ….. what I notice is the avoidance of scripture that makes things clear and then king explainations explaining the opposite of what those scriptures they skip say .
That’s the thing that happened in the Old Testament that destroyed israel the prophets began to tell the people not Gods word but thier own thoughts and imaginations of God it didn’t work out well
“therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence: and I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.”
Jeremiah 23:39-40 KJV
They have no concept of God being provoked by people
“Yet ye have not hearkened unto me, saith the LORD; that ye might provoke me to anger with the works of your hands to your own hurt.”
Jeremiah 25:7 KJV
bit in thier theory it’s god who made him unable to hearkens to him and God made the man provoke him with his bad works to his hurt …..
every person lost and damned becomes Gods fault every time a person sins it becomes because God didn’t make them able to do good , god gets the blame but then he blames us saying “ your being judged by your own words and actions “ bit of course it’s only because he didn’t make me able to do good now I need to be punished for my own actions ….which of course I never had any choice or option in God didn’t make me able to do good therefore I’m lost because he didn’t want to save me just the other guy who never wanted to hear what he actually said they are the ones he chooses whether they do good or evil
It’s troubling for certain and also it repeats here daily the same circular argument by the same people myself included . We just go in a big circle and never get anywhere
That’s the thing that happened in the Old Testament that destroyed israel the prophets began to tell the people not Gods word but thier own thoughts and imaginations of God it didn’t work out well
“therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence: and I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.”
Jeremiah 23:39-40 KJV
They have no concept of God being provoked by people
“Yet ye have not hearkened unto me, saith the LORD; that ye might provoke me to anger with the works of your hands to your own hurt.”
Jeremiah 25:7 KJV
bit in thier theory it’s god who made him unable to hearkens to him and God made the man provoke him with his bad works to his hurt …..
every person lost and damned becomes Gods fault every time a person sins it becomes because God didn’t make them able to do good , god gets the blame but then he blames us saying “ your being judged by your own words and actions “ bit of course it’s only because he didn’t make me able to do good now I need to be punished for my own actions ….which of course I never had any choice or option in God didn’t make me able to do good therefore I’m lost because he didn’t want to save me just the other guy who never wanted to hear what he actually said they are the ones he chooses whether they do good or evil
It’s troubling for certain and also it repeats here daily the same circular argument by the same people myself included . We just go in a big circle and never get anywhere
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Wow. So much denial of what Scripture actually explicitly states it is sometimes hard to keep up with it all!
2 Corinthians 4 verses 3-4 ~ 2 Corinthians 4 verse 4 ~ Even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, Who is the image of God.
2 Corinthians 4 verses 3-4 ~ 2 Corinthians 4 verse 4 ~ Even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, Who is the image of God.
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Thank you BillyBob! Well, we know that according to HeIsHere, God is unfair any way you look at Him even just for
keeping the promises He made to those who would believe in Him! And if you affirm what Scripture says in this
regard you are reviled and told that spiritual revelation is not only not necessary but something to be ashamed
of! Honestly it never fails to amaze me how far some venture into denying what Scripture explicitly states.
Meanwhile they bleat about understanding what we believe while they constantly misrepresent it.
Who do you think is behind that? .
keeping the promises He made to those who would believe in Him! And if you affirm what Scripture says in this
regard you are reviled and told that spiritual revelation is not only not necessary but something to be ashamed
of! Honestly it never fails to amaze me how far some venture into denying what Scripture explicitly states.
Meanwhile they bleat about understanding what we believe while they constantly misrepresent it.
Who do you think is behind that? .
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Do you not count yourself among the chosen? I am sorry to hear that.
John 15 verse 16 plus from 1 Peter 2 verse 9 ~ You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit— fruit that will remain— so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you. You are a chosen people. a royal priesthood, a people to proclaim the virtues of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.
John 15 verse 16 plus from 1 Peter 2 verse 9 ~ You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit— fruit that will remain— so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you. You are a chosen people. a royal priesthood, a people to proclaim the virtues of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.
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1 John 5 verses 11-13 + John 6 verse 47 ~ This is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Do you not count yourself among the chosen? I am sorry to hear that.
John 15 verse 16 plus from 1 Peter 2 verse 9 ~ You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit— fruit that will remain— so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you. You are a chosen people. a royal priesthood, a people to proclaim the virtues of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.
John 15 verse 16 plus from 1 Peter 2 verse 9 ~ You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit— fruit that will remain— so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you. You are a chosen people. a royal priesthood, a people to proclaim the virtues of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.
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Oh, no. He thinks he is chosen because he chose God first. FWers believe that "the chosen" are the sinners who do the choosing.
In their theology, the natural man chooses to believe what he is opposed to and hostile toward and cannot comprehend.
With no help required! He has all he needs by virtue of being born physically to engender his spiritual rebirth.
“So, God's grace has conditions attached to it that obligates Him to save sinners? “
Ummm ?
“This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.”
1 Timothy 1:15-16 KJV
“for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
Romans 3:23 KJV
i don’t know I’d say God is obligated to anything what I’m saying is Jesus came to save sinners and his mercy has been offered to all
“For as ye ( gentiles ) in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their ( Jews ) unbelief: even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.”
Romans 11:30-32 KJV
gods mercy is offered to all people jew and gentile male and female. His grace that saves has appeared to all men
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;”
Titus 2:11-12 KJV
because the gospel that saves those who believe has been sent to all
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
That is to be saved by grace
“that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:”
Hebrews 6:18 KJV
I’d never insist sinners can’t be saved or God doesn’t want to save them all
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4 KJV
So no I didn’t say anything about Gods obligation I was talking about his mercy being offered to all humanity like it says
the argument seems to be “ is God who makes you believe and not believe ? “ or did he inform us and offer a clear choice of life and death ?
like this
“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
Deuteronomy 30:19
I’m sorry I don’t agree with some of you guys theories but it’s really clear in scripture mankind must choose good or evil and tbat will determine the outcome
Ummm ?
“This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.”
1 Timothy 1:15-16 KJV
“for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
Romans 3:23 KJV
i don’t know I’d say God is obligated to anything what I’m saying is Jesus came to save sinners and his mercy has been offered to all
“For as ye ( gentiles ) in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their ( Jews ) unbelief: even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.”
Romans 11:30-32 KJV
gods mercy is offered to all people jew and gentile male and female. His grace that saves has appeared to all men
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;”
Titus 2:11-12 KJV
because the gospel that saves those who believe has been sent to all
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
That is to be saved by grace
“that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:”
Hebrews 6:18 KJV
I’d never insist sinners can’t be saved or God doesn’t want to save them all
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4 KJV
So no I didn’t say anything about Gods obligation I was talking about his mercy being offered to all humanity like it says
the argument seems to be “ is God who makes you believe and not believe ? “ or did he inform us and offer a clear choice of life and death ?
like this
“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
Deuteronomy 30:19
I’m sorry I don’t agree with some of you guys theories but it’s really clear in scripture mankind must choose good or evil and tbat will determine the outcome