Understanding God’s election

[Magenta]

Despite what the un-Biblical free will doctrine promoters put forth, the natural man does not have everything he needs in order to grow the good fruit of faith from the stony ground of his incurably wicked heart which is opposed to the things of God, and he cannot change himself, being a lover of darkness who suppresses the truth in unrighteousness as a slave to sin, being inherently hostile in his mind toward God, and blinded to the truth while under the power of the evil one. Those who promote the free will of the natural man reject a plethora of Biblical truths.

 

[Rufus]

You really don't like to be revealed. You jumped on the bandwagon of another poster possibly thinking I wrote something I only quoted, knowing full well I only quoted it. Then you get outed for trying to deceptively fan the flames and this is your response.

I especially liked your switching all over the place to supposedly demolish how Acts9 explains to a large degree 1Cor15. Still awaiting your answer to my questions concerning this odd methodology in dealing with Scripture.

I'm still awaiting your answer to a "yes" or no" rhetorical question in Jer 13:23. You have NOTHING for us re this passage, Mr. "Nothingness"? I have to admit that your self-invented moniker fits you to a tee!

 

[Rufus]

Once you have walked with God for as long as I have it becomes simple. Even a new convert could reach this point if they grasp the idea that nothing in this world can stop them from their trust and faith in God no matter the cost. But I have overcome many obstacles trusting in God that my vision going forward is singular and focused.

I don't bother myself with the foolishness that you have dribbled in your post because I am well past that battle and on to better purposes to be concerned about.

Of course! Why would you concern yourself with pesky, theological details that would certainly be one of those "many obstacles" to your walk with your god Volition? Sin, the World and the Devil are all inconvenient foolishness to you -- in the same way the true gospel is, as well!

 

[Rufus]

Despite what the un-Biblical free will doctrine promoters put forth, the natural man does not have everything he needs in order to grow the good fruit of faith from the stony ground of his incurably wicked heart which is opposed to the things of God, and he cannot change himself, being a lover of darkness who suppresses the truth in unrighteousness as a slave to sin, being inherently hostile in his mind toward God, and blinded to the truth while under the power of the evil one. Those who promote the free will of the natural man reject a plethora of Biblical truths.

Just a bunch of inconvenient, pesky details to FWers...

 

[Rufus]

[QUOTE="GWH, post: 5515703, member: 334064"]Do not confuse physical rescue with spiritual salvation.
God shows favoritism by forcing only some to be saved (TULIP)
or by not providing the possibility of salvation to all (MFW).

You can have confidence God loves you only if you believe He loves everyone,
because if you can ignore the clear teaching that God does not show favoritism,
then there is no good/logical reason to believe any of the Bible. [/QUOTE]

So, now you're telling us that Typology in scripture should be ignored! Cute. One of the central purposes of typology is that it takes actual historical events, institutions or people that are carefully designed to show how God works in saving people spiritually. Since you, evidently, cannot or will not wrap your mind about the earthly Exodus event to learn deeper heavenly truths, then you will never understand spiritual salvation! Recall what Jesus told Nicodemus in Jn 3:12?

 

[Rufus]

Do not confuse physical rescue with spiritual salvation.
God shows favoritism by forcing only some to be saved (TULIP)
or by not providing the possibility of salvation to all (MFW).

You can have confidence God loves you only if you believe He loves everyone,
because if you can ignore the clear teaching that God does not show favoritism,
then there is no good/logical reason to believe any of the Bible.

Pure rubbish! Give me chapter and verse of the nonsense highlighted. I KNOW God LOVES me personally because what scripture teaches AND because he changed my life, which I had no power to do -- since a true, transformative change would necessarily involve a change in my nature.

And why are you continuing to avoid my question about what the basis of God's favoritism would be if he chose to actually save just many instead of all? I will always go with love that is efficacious -- a love by God that actually saves via his grace as opposed to merely providing an opportunity for salvation.

 

[Rufus]

FWers, where are you? Why can't you explain to us how God didn't bully, coerce and force Jonah to obey his prophetic commission? Is every single one of you an empty suit? Or to borrow Studier's invented term: Are you all "Nothingness"?

 

[GWH]

[QUOTE="GWH, post: 5515703, member: 334064"]Do not confuse physical rescue with spiritual salvation.
God shows favoritism by forcing only some to be saved (TULIP)
or by not providing the possibility of salvation to all (MFW).

You can have confidence God loves you only if you believe He loves everyone,
because if you can ignore the clear teaching that God does not show favoritism,
then there is no good/logical reason to believe any of the Bible.

So, now you're telling us that Typology in scripture should be ignored! Cute. One of the central purposes of typology is that it takes actual historical events, institutions or people that are carefully designed to show how God works in saving people spiritually. Since you, evidently, cannot or will not wrap your mind about the earthly Exodus event to learn deeper heavenly truths, then you will never understand spiritual salvation! Recall what Jesus told Nicodemus in Jn 3:12?[/QUOTE]

ping-

 

[GWH]

Pure rubbish! Give me chapter and verse of the nonsense highlighted. I KNOW God LOVES me personally because what scripture teaches AND because he changed my life, which I had no power to do -- since a true, transformative change would necessarily involve a change in my nature.

And why are you continuing to avoid my question about what the basis of God's favoritism would be if he chose to actually save just many instead of all? I will always go with love that is efficacious -- a love by God that actually saves via his grace as opposed to merely providing an opportunity for salvation.

-pong

 

[Rufus]

So, now you're telling us that Typology in scripture should be ignored! Cute. One of the central purposes of typology is that it takes actual historical events, institutions or people that are carefully designed to show how God works in saving people spiritually. Since you, evidently, cannot or will not wrap your mind about the earthly Exodus event to learn deeper heavenly truths, then you will never understand spiritual salvation! Recall what Jesus told Nicodemus in Jn 3:12?

ping- [/QUOTE]

More Nothingness! FWT Garbage in, and what we get is predictably FWT out.

 

[Rufus]

-pong

Now go play ping pong by yourself in pond.

 

[Magenta]

So, now you're telling us that Typology in scripture should be ignored! Cute. One of the central purposes of typology is that it takes actual historical events, institutions or people that are carefully designed to show how God works in saving people spiritually. Since you, evidently, cannot or will not wrap your mind about the earthly Exodus event to learn deeper heavenly truths, then you will never understand spiritual salvation! Recall what Jesus told Nicodemus in Jn 3:12?

Very much reminds me of how I was told I take the word slave/slavery too seriously ... as in the natural man is a slave to sin... so laughable... All those hundreds of years that the Hebrews were enslaved by the Egyptians and then freed by God, and I shouldn't take it so seriously, not even when/that the whole Passover came out of that sequence of events, the typology of Jesus shedding His righteous blood as a covering for those who would believe in Him, that death would pass over them. No, we are to take none of that seriously. /sardonicism

 

[lrs68]

Of course! Why would you concern yourself with pesky, theological details that would certainly be one of those "many obstacles" to your walk with your god Volition? Sin, the World and the Devil are all inconvenient foolishness to you -- in the same way the true gospel is, as well!

I will testify that I am more than convinced that part of Jesus beginning a good work in me until I either die or be resurrected was those many trials I had and still go through.

I know the ones that I made the wrong choices that God used and the ones when I was actually making sound Godly decisions that out from nowhere came trials I had to suffer, struggle, survive to get through.

But ultimately I trusted God and now I immediately trust God and He has got me through.

 

[Rufus]

Very much reminds me of how I was told I take the word slave/slavery too seriously ... as in the natural man is a slave to sin... so laughable... All those hundreds of years that the Hebrews were enslaved by the Egyptians and then freed by God, and I shouldn't take it so seriously, not even when/that the whole Passover came out of that sequence of events, the typology of Jesus shedding His righteous blood as a covering for those who would believe in Him, that death would pass over them. No, we are to take none of that seriously. /sardonicism

Yes, indeed! We dare not press those metaphors too hard. In fact, FWers treat all metaphors quite loosely. Another gem from PT, as I recall, was that he bragged about how even slaves have some freedom. So, in his world being in bondage, slavery or imprisoned in chains doesn't mean very much.

 

[Rufus]

I will testify that I am more than convinced that part of Jesus beginning a good work in me until I either die or be resurrected was those many trials I had and still go through.

I know the ones that I made the wrong choices that God used and the ones when I was actually making sound Godly decisions that out from nowhere came trials I had to suffer, struggle, survive to get through.

But ultimately I trusted God and now I immediately trust God and He has got me through.

Translate: LRS68 is as happy as a piglet rolling in the mud by believing a half truth!

 

[Magenta]

Yes, indeed! We dare not press those metaphors too hard. In fact, FWers treat all metaphors quite loosely. Another gem from PT, as I recall, was that he bragged about how even slaves have some freedom. So, in his world being in bondage, slavery or imprisoned in chains doesn't mean very much.

Not surprising ... and the more familiar I become with some of these people who claim they wish to discuss Scripture with those who believe it, the more I find out they really don't believe what Scripture says.

 

[lrs68]

Translate: LRS68 is as happy as a piglet rolling in the mud by believing a half truth!

Paul had to survive a thorn in his side sorta speak because of God. So tell me what is the other part?

 

[Rufus]

Paul had to survive a thorn in his side sorta speak because of God. So tell me what is the other part?

And Paul "survived" that thorn because of God's efficacious grace! Not because of his "freewill" decision to survive.

The "other part" to God beginning his work of salvation in his elect is that he goes well beyond initiating salvation, for he will also bring his work to completion or to consummation (Phil 1:6). But you said nothing about God actually bringing you to your final destination safely!

 

[lrs68]

And Paul "survived" that thorn because of God's efficacious grace! Not because of his "freewill" decision to survive.

The "other part" to God beginning his work of salvation in his elect is that he goes well beyond initiating salvation, for he will also bring his work to completion or to consummation (Phil 1:6). But you said nothing about God actually bringing you to your final destination safely!

I wasn't talking about free will. I kind of went on my own course. But I will say this much about free will. When the decision I made and I made them selfishly that bit me hard and God used to improve me was most certainly done via free will. And I know this because God would have been ungodly to lead me to do such a thing.

 

[studier]

And Paul "survived" that thorn because of God's efficacious grace!

This would be the irresistible grace you can't elaborate with Scripture no matter how much eisegesis you attempt and get disproved and no matter how many fallacies and other tactics you throw at opponents. Have any more teachings for us to shred?