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You do know the person who did the Greek Manuscripts added

1 John 5:7

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7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Right??

What happened to him?

"On July 12, 1536, during preparations for a move to the Netherlands, Erasmus fell ill and died from an attack of dysentery. Though he remained loyal to the Church of Rome, he did not receive last rites, and there is no evidence that he asked for a priest. "


King James Version | Bible, History, & Background | Britannicahttps://www.britannica.com › ... › Scriptures
The translators used not only extant English-language translations, including the partial translation by William Tyndale (c. 1490–1536),

Tyndale continued to work on the Old Testament translation but was captured in Antwerp before it was completed. Condemned for heresy, he was executed by strangulation and then burned at the stake at Vilvoorde in 1536.

Likewise, these early translators lived and died according to prevailing doctrine. For their iniquity, the brave decoders were often mortally punished, though today these vile scholars are celebrated.

The history of Bible translation is as terrible as it is enthralling. Terrible because of the courageous translators’ torture and death and enthralling because in the history of the translator, as in war, we observe deadly battles over ideas.

Wyclif actually knew no Hebrew or Greek, so relied on Saint Jerome’s Latin Vulgate to make his way.
https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/the-bloody-history-of-bible-translators/

Unlike the rest of the Bible, the translators of the Apocrypha identified their source texts in their marginal notes.[157] From these it can be determined that the books of the Apocrypha were translated from the Septuagint—primarily, from the Greek Old Testament column in the Antwerp Polyglot—but with extensive reference to the counterpart Latin Vulgate text, and to Junius's Latin translation. The translators record references to the Sixtine Septuagint of 1587, which is substantially a printing of the Old Testament text from the Codex Vaticanus Graecus 1209, and also to the 1518 Greek Septuagint edition of Aldus Manutius. They had, however, no Greek texts for 2 Esdras, or for the Prayer of Manasses, and Scrivener found that they here used an unidentified Latin manuscript.[157]

Mistranslations
The King James version contains several mistranslations; especially in the Old Testament where the knowledge of Hebrew and cognate languages was uncertain at the time.[179] Among the most commonly cited errors is in the Hebrew of Job and Deuteronomy, where Hebrew: רֶאֵם, romanized: Re'em with the probable meaning of "wild-ox, aurochs", is translated in the KJV as "unicorn"; following in this the Vulgate unicornis and several medieval rabbinic commentators. The translators of the KJV note the alternative rendering, "rhinocerots" [sic] in the margin at Isaiah 34:7. On a similar note Martin Luther's German translation had also relied on the Latin Vulgate on this point, consistently translating רֶאֵם using the German word for unicorn, Einhorn.[180] Otherwise, the translators on several occasions mistakenly interpreted a Hebrew descriptive phrase as a proper name (or vice versa); as at 2 Samuel 1:18 where 'the Book of Jasher' Hebrew: סֵפֶר הַיׇּשׇׁר, romanized: sepher ha-yasher properly refers not to a work by an author of that name, but should rather be rendered as "the Book of the Upright" (which was proposed as an alternative reading in a marginal note to the KJV text).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version#Apocrypha
dysentery is not a plague of the book of Revelation.

And, unicorn may in fact be an extinct animal that once existed, there is no real evidence that that is a mistranslation.
 

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dysentery is not a plague of the book of Revelation.

And, unicorn may in fact be an extinct animal that once existed, there is no real evidence that that is a mistranslation.
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dysentery is not a plague of the book of Revelation.

And, unicorn may in fact be an extinct animal that once existed, there is no real evidence that that is a mistranslation.
friend there is no evidence that unicorns ever existed. I laugh because I do not think they ever existed.

"“Most likely, the south of Western Siberia was a [refuge], where this rhino had preserved the longest in comparison with the rest of the range,” said Tomsk State University scientist Andrei Shpansky, who published the findings. "
https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/living/real-unicorn-remains/index.html

"Thanks to a newly discovered skull fossil found in the Pavlodar region of Kazakhstan, we now know that the unicorn — or "Elasmotherium sibiricum" — roamed the planet roughly 29,000 years ago and looked more like a rhinoceros than a horse. " https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/entertainment/news/a37608/unicorns-are-real-fossils/

The above stories are based on American Journal of Applied Sciences article "
The Quaternary Mammals from Kozhamzhar Locality (Pavlodar Region, Kazakhstan)"

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Abstract
A new locality of fossil mammals near Kozhamzhar in Pavlodar Priirtysh Region has been described. The article provides the description of the quaternary sediments section found in the outcrop near Kozhamzhar. In the Karginian Age (MIS 3) alluvial deposits of the described locality we found the remains of Elasmotherium sibiricum, Mammuthus ex gr. trogontherii-chosaricus, Mammuthus primigenius, Bison sp. AMS Radiocarbon dating of the Elasmotherium skull gave a young age-26038±356 BP (UBA-30522). The skull of Elasmotherium sibiricum exceeds in size the skull of the mammals from Eastern Europe. The lower jaw of the elephant, considering the size and the morphology of the last dentition teeth, is very close to that of Mammuthus trogontherii chosaricus.
American Journal of Applied Sciences
Volume 13 No. 2, 2016, 189-199

DOI: https://doi.org/10.3844/ajassp.2016.189.199
"https://thescipub.com/abstract/ajassp.2016.189.199

Thus no proof they ever existed.
 

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friend there is no evidence that unicorns ever existed. I laugh because I do not think they ever existed.

"“Most likely, the south of Western Siberia was a [refuge], where this rhino had preserved the longest in comparison with the rest of the range,” said Tomsk State University scientist Andrei Shpansky, who published the findings. "
https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/living/real-unicorn-remains/index.html

"Thanks to a newly discovered skull fossil found in the Pavlodar region of Kazakhstan, we now know that the unicorn — or "Elasmotherium sibiricum" — roamed the planet roughly 29,000 years ago and looked more like a rhinoceros than a horse. " https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/entertainment/news/a37608/unicorns-are-real-fossils/

The above stories are based on American Journal of Applied Sciences article "
The Quaternary Mammals from Kozhamzhar Locality (Pavlodar Region, Kazakhstan)"

"
Abstract
A new locality of fossil mammals near Kozhamzhar in Pavlodar Priirtysh Region has been described. The article provides the description of the quaternary sediments section found in the outcrop near Kozhamzhar. In the Karginian Age (MIS 3) alluvial deposits of the described locality we found the remains of Elasmotherium sibiricum, Mammuthus ex gr. trogontherii-chosaricus, Mammuthus primigenius, Bison sp. AMS Radiocarbon dating of the Elasmotherium skull gave a young age-26038±356 BP (UBA-30522). The skull of Elasmotherium sibiricum exceeds in size the skull of the mammals from Eastern Europe. The lower jaw of the elephant, considering the size and the morphology of the last dentition teeth, is very close to that of Mammuthus trogontherii chosaricus.
American Journal of Applied Sciences
Volume 13 No. 2, 2016, 189-199

DOI: https://doi.org/10.3844/ajassp.2016.189.199
"https://thescipub.com/abstract/ajassp.2016.189.199

Thus no proof they ever existed.
Except that the Bible speaks of them.
 

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Three Lords = Three God, no mater what the dogma says.
There is one Lord in holy scripture (Ephesians 4:5); the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21), the Son (1 Corinthians 8:6, 1 Corinthians 12:3), and the Holy Ghost (2 Corinthians 3:17).

They are all three of them the same Spirit / essence.
 

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Except that the Bible speaks of them.
Not in the Hebrew it does not.

Fact remains I showed that there is no physical evidence or remains that it existed. The word Unicorn is mistranslated in the Septuagint and the Vulgate. It is plan and simply a mistranslation through means of Greek and Latin.

"Rendering in the Authorized Version of the Hebrew
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, following the Septuagint and the Vulgate. Aquila and Saadia, on Job xxxix. 9, read "rhinoceros"; Bochart ("Hierozoicon") and others, "oryx," or "white antelope"; Revised Version, "wild ox" (margin, "ox-antelope"). The allusions to the "re'em" as a wild, untamable animal of great strength and agility, with mighty horns (Job xxxix. 9-12; Ps. xxii. 21, xxix. 6; Num. xxiii. 22, xxiv. 8; Deut. xxxiii. 17; comp. Ps. xcii. 11), best fit the aurochs (Bos primigenius). This view is supported by the Assyrian "rimu," which is often used as a metaphor of strength, and is depicted as a powerful, fierce, wild, or mountain bull with large horns. The term evidently denotes from its connection some animal of the bovine or antelope class, perhaps the oryx (so LXX.). The oryx, as well as the wild bull and ox, is common in Palestine and Syria; and aurochs' teeth were found by Tristram on the flooring of an ancient cave in the Lebanon. " https://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12725-rhinoceros

Deuteronomy 33:17
His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.

Psalm 22:21
Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.

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The unicorn is mentioned in the King James Version of the Bible as a rendering for the Hebrew word re’em and is used as a metaphor for strength. It is found eight times in the Old Testament. The allusion of a re’em is that of a wild, untamable animal of great strength and agility with a mighty horn or horns. However, the translators of the KJV followed the Septuagint uses the Greek word monokeros for the Hebrew word re’em and the Latin unicornis. Since the KJV, however, modern Archeologist have discovered a similar word in the Akkadian rimu from the same Semitic root and it is a reference to the aurochs a known species of a wild bull like or bison like animal that went extinct around 1627. It is related to the buffalo and wild yak, both very powerful creatures with two horns.

For this reason, you will not find the English word unicorn in your modern translations, they will render it was a wild ox or even a rhinoceros. Some may just transliterate the Hebrew to re’em. However, Bible scholars and linguists agree that the reference is to a wild bull like or ox-like creature and unicorn is really not an appropriate rendering. In fact, the most recent revision of the KJV has dropped the word unicorn in favor of a wild ox."
https://www.chaimbentorah.com/2020/04/hebrew-word-study-unicorn/

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In several passages (Numbers 23:22, 24:8; Deuteronomy 33:17; Job 39:9-10; Psalm 22:21, 29:6; Isaiah 34:7), the King James Version of the Bible mentions a unicorn. The original Hebrew is the word re’em which was translated monokeros in the Septuagint and unicornis in the Latin Vulgate. Later versions use the phrase “wild ox.” The original Hebrew word basically means “beast with a horn.” One possible interpretation is the rhinoceros. But since the Hebrew tow’apaha in Numbers 23:22 refers to more than one horn, it’s likely the translators of the Septuagint used creative license to infer a wild and powerful, but recognizable animal for their versions.

The re’em is believed to refer to aurochs or urus, large cattle which roamed Europe and Asia in ancient times. Aurochs stood over six feet tall and were the ancestors of domestic cattle. They became extinct in the 1600s. In the Bible, the “wild ox” usually refers to someone with great power. In Numbers 23:22 and 24:8, God compares His own strength to that of a wild ox. In Psalm 22:21, David imagines his enemies as wild oxen. The bull represented several different deities including Baal, Moloch, and the Egyptian Apis. The Israelites tried to adopt these beliefs when they made the golden calf.

Whether the re’em refers to a rhinocerous, or an auroch, or some other horned animal, the image is the same—that of an untamable, ferocious, powerful, wild animal. What we do know is that the Bible is not referring to the mythological “unicorn,” the horse-with-a-horn creature of fairy tales and fantasy literature. It is highly unlikely that the KJV translators believed in the mythological unicorn. Rather, they simply used the Latin term that described a “beast with a horn.” " https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-unicorn.html
 

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In every occurrence of the English word “unicorn,” it is the same Hebrew word ראם reym.

  • רְאֵם [râʾem, râʾeym, reym, rem /reh·ame/] n m. From 7213; TWOT 2096a; GK 8028; Nine occurrences; AV translates as “unicorn” nine times. 1 probably the great aurochs or wild bulls which are now extinct. The exact meaning is not known.1
  • reem or רְאֵים reem or רֵים rem or רֵם rem (910b); from 7213; a wild ox:—wild ox(7), wild oxen(2).2
  • 8028 רְאֵם (reʾēm): n.masc.; ≡ Str 7214; TWOT 2096a—1. LN 4.1–4.37 (most versions) wild ox, aurochs, i.e., an extinct, long-horned, ancestor of the domestic cattle, Bos primigenius bojanus (Nu 23:22; 24:8; Dt 33:17; Job 39:9, 10; Ps 22:21[EB 21]; 92:11[EB 10]; Isa 34:7+), note: kjv, lxx, VULG. translate as a single-horned animal, such as rhinoceros or mysterious unicorn; 2. LN 4.1–4.37 unit: בֵּן רְאֵם (bēn reʾēm) adolescent wild ox, i.e., a non-domestic ox likely under two years old (Ps 29:6+)3
Critics
Of course, critics will just say that the Bible translators altered the English to escape the inclusion of mythical creatures. But again, they must realize that the KJV is in English and it is the English they are complaining about, not the original Hebrew word.

  • UNICORN kjv rendering for an animal called a “wild ox” in the nlt and most modern translations (Nm 24:8; Dt 33:17). Unicorn is an unfortunate translation (following the Septuagint) because the animal had two horns, not one. See Animals (Wild Ox). 4
  • Unicorn — described as an animal of great ferocity and strength (Num. 23:22), R.V., “wild ox,” marg., “ox-antelope;” 24:8; Isa. 34:7, R.V., “wild oxen”), and untamable (Job 39:9). It was in reality a two-horned animal; but the exact reference of the word so rendered (reem) is doubtful. Some have supposed it to be the buffalo; others, the white antelope, called by the Arabs rim. Most probably, however, the word denotes the Bos primigenius (“primitive ox”), which is now extinct all over the world. This was the auerochs of the Germans, and the urus described by Caesar (Gal. Bel., vi.28) as inhabiting the Hercynian forest. The word thus rendered has been found in an Assyrian inscription written over the wild ox or bison, which some also suppose to be the animal intended (comp. Deut. 33:17; Ps. 22:21; 29:6; 92:10).5
The LXX – Septuagint
The LXX (The Greek translation of the Old Testament done around 250 B.C.) says of Job 39:9, βουλήσεται δέ σοι μονόκερως δουλεῦσαι ἢ κοιμηθῆναι ἐπὶ φάτνης σου. The Greek word μονόκερως monokeros is what the Hebrews tranlsated the Hebrew word רְאֵם reym into. It is an unfortunate rendering. It literally means “one horn,” and this is why the KJV rendered it as unicorn since it was using the LXX and not the original Hebrew here.

https://carm.org/about-the-bible/why-does-the-bible-mention-the-mythical-unicorn/
 

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Strong's Number: H7214

Hebrew Base Word: רְאֵם

Part of speech: Noun Masculine

Usage: Unicorn

Definition: A wild bull (from its conspicuousness).

Detailed definition:

Probably the great aurochs or wild bulls which are now extinct. The exact meaning is not known.
Derived terms: Or רְאֵים; or רֵים; or רֵם; from H7213.
 
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There is one Lord in holy scripture (Ephesians 4:5); the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21), the Son (1 Corinthians 8:6, 1 Corinthians 12:3), and the Holy Ghost (2 Corinthians 3:17).

They are all three of them the same Spirit / essence.
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The scripture YOU quoted says just the OPPOSITE...
 
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Not in the Hebrew it does not.

Fact remains I showed that there is no physical evidence or remains that it existed. The word Unicorn is mistranslated in the Septuagint and the Vulgate. It is plan and simply a mistranslation through means of Greek and Latin.
Fact is, most will use EVERY excuse to verify what they believe- even the preposterous- instead of taking a look at it flaws!
 

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I believe that the kjv is utterly accurate in all of its renderings; and that therefore "unicorn" is the accurate rendition of whatever word in the Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek, is used to relate the concept.
 

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I believe that the kjv is utterly accurate in all of its renderings;
I suggest you look up 2 Kings 8:26 and 2 Chronicles 22:2, and tell me how old Ahaziah was when he became king. Your "utterly accurate" KJV leaves much to be desired.