Understanding the Trinity as a doctrine.

[EarlDumarest]

1 x 1 x 1 = 1

3^0 = 1

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So you are good at elementary math.
Not at the Word.

 

[justbyfaith]

You have listed my scriptures, and the church spin on ALL of them.
Take you pic, one example at a time!

JBF...will you?

I'm asking you to do so.

 

[justbyfaith]

I suggest you look up 2 Kings 8:26 and 2 Chronicles 22:2, and tell me how old Ahaziah was when he became king. Your "utterly accurate" KJV leaves much to be desired.

I believe that there is an explanation for that; while I do not currently recall what that explanation is because it is an extensive one and I did not catch all of it when I read about it. However, it is an adequate explanation; and it explains the differences in those scriptures adequately so that my perception is that there is no contradiction in those scriptures.

I believe that the explanation was given recently on these boards, as well.

It satisfied me even though I might not be able to repeat it to you since it was an extensive explanation and might take extensive writing in order to set it forth.

So, suffice it to say that your argument does not fly with me; while it is also alright with me if this argument does not fly with you.

Since I am unable to repeat the explanation I do not expect to convince you of what you might be convinced of if that explanation were given by me.

But know that I stand strong in my understanding that the kjv is inspired and inerrant since I know that there is an explanation that has satisfied me intellectually so that I do not see your argument as being valid.

 

[Dino246]

I believe that there is an explanation for that; while I do not currently recall what that explanation is because it is an extensive one and I did not catch all of it when I read about it. However, it is an adequate explanation; and it explains the differences in those scriptures adequately so that my perception is that there is no contradiction in those scriptures.

I believe that the explanation was given recently on these boards, as well.

It satisfied me even though I might not be able to repeat it to you since it was an extensive explanation and might take extensive writing in order to set it forth.

So, suffice it to say that your argument does not fly with me; while it is also alright with me if this argument does not fly with you.

Since I am unable to repeat the explanation I do not expect to convince you of what you might be convinced of if that explanation were given by me.

But know that I stand strong in my understanding that the kjv is inspired and inerrant since I know that there is an explanation that has satisfied me intellectually so that I do not see your argument as being valid.

Uh huh... you're brainwashed, as the other poster is. You are intellectually dishonest and that you hold to a cognitive dissonance, and are unable to see either.

 

[Knowledged]

Personally, I agree With God's Word Of Truth!:

1Jn 5:7 "For there are THREE That Bear Record in heaven,
The Father, The Word, AND The Holy Ghost: and These THREE Are ONE."

Col_2:9 "For In HIM DWELLETH The FULLNESS Of The Godhead Bodily!"

By faith I accept and believe What God Says, even IF I don't understand IT! Amen?

(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 =
Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
God's Simple Will!

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. These three are one. Not the same person, but same accord, meaning all Agree!!!
all you had to do is read the next verse

1 John 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Father: (The Most High God) Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

The Word (Christ)
Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. (Christ)

Holy Ghost:
Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
( Heres the point) vs53 Who have received The Law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
Holy Ghost is the The Law!


Here’ the order: 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God
God
Christ
Man
woman
(then the children). You can’t kill The Most High! so sad when Christian’s start believing that!

Please explain what you mean by "The Father, in the descending into time to take on an added nature of human flesh " . This line looks like Jesus Only false teachings. Thanks for clarification, Daniel

 

[justbyfaith]

I will attempt to explain the Trinity with the following things in mind.

Eph 3:3, How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph 3:4, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Tit 2:1, But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4); the Father (John 4:23-24), the Son (John 4:24, Ephesians 3:17, Colossians 1:27, 1 John 5:12), and the Holy Ghost (John 7:39, 2 Timothy 1:14).

There is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5); the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21), the Son (1 Corinthians 8:6, 1 Corinthians 12:3), and the Holy Ghost (2 Corinthians 3:17).

There is one God (Ephesians 4:6); the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6, James 3:9 (kjv), Romans 15:6, Ephesians 4:6), the Son (Hebrews 1:8-9; John 8:58, Exodus 3:14; John 8:59, John 10:31-33), and the Holy Ghost (Acts 5:3-4, Romans 8:26-27).

With this in mind, I encourage the reader to interpret 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 and Ephesians 4:4-6.

That being said, there are distinctions between the members of the Trinity.

The Father is a Spirit (John 4:23-24) inhabiting eternity (Isaiah 57:15) without flesh.

The Son is the same Spirit (Ephesians 4:4, John 4:24) dwelling in human flesh (1 John 4:1-3, 2 john 1:7).

The Holy Ghost is the same Spirit (Ephesians 4:4, John 7:39); after having lived a human life in the Person of the Son (see Luke 23:46); released to the Father in eternity from the human body of the Son; and who also descends into time in order to produce holy scripture (1 Peter 1:11) and to work within the church in order to win souls to Jesus Christ.

The Father, in the descending into time to take on an added nature of human flesh, did not VACATE ETERNITY.

So, when Jesus releases His Spirit (see John 14:7-11) back into eternity, there is now one God existing beside Himself in eternity; as there are two distinct Persons in the Father and the Holy Ghost who are infinite in nature.

The Son also being infinite in nature in His Deity; however in His humanity, which has received a glorified human body likened unto the angels (Matthew 22:30), He is of a finite nature and as He said, "The Father is greater than I" (John 14:28); while as concerning His Deity He is equal to the Father (John 5:18).

For I contend that the Son is the Son in the reality that there is a hypostatic union of the two natures of humanity and Deity.

I also contend that the Son was begotten in the incarnation (Luke 1:35); but that He ascended to fill all things (Ephesians 4:10) in the Person of the Holy Ghost.

 

[justbyfaith]

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[JStates]

This is FALSE DOCTRINE. Beware of false teachers!

The Son was begotten by the Father in eternity past since HE is the eternal Son of God. And the Person of the Holy Ghost is DISTINCT from that of the Son. Here is the proper and biblical doctrine of the Trinity:

GOD THE FATHER IS NEITHER THE SON NOR THE HOLY SPIRIT
GOD THE SON IS NEITHER THE FATHER NOR THE HOLY SPIRIT
GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NEITHER THE FATHER NOR THE SON

MATTHEW 3: THE HOLY TRINITY AT THE BAPTISM OF CHRIST
16 And Jesus [THE SON], when He was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto Him, and He saw the Spirit of God [THE HOLY SPIRIT] descending like a dove, and lighting upon Him: 17 And lo a voice from Heaven [THE VOICE OF THE FATHER], saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

If I recall correctly, that account of Jesus' baptism was so important that it was included in all the Gospels. Please correct me if I am wrong. Also:

Joh_20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

It would seem that Jesus Christ the Son ascended bodily to the Father.

Anything that basically begins with "I will now explain the Godhead" is gonna get a whole bunch of skepticism from me. No system can explain itself. To be able to explain God would be to be superior to God and that's just not possible.

 

[justbyfaith]

If I recall correctly, that account of Jesus' baptism was so important that it was included in all the Gospels. Please correct me if I am wrong. Also:

Joh_20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

It would seem that Jesus Christ the Son ascended bodily to the Father.

Anything that basically begins with "I will now explain the Godhead" is gonna get a whole bunch of skepticism from me. No system can explain itself. To be able to explain God would be to be superior to God and that's just not possible.

I would only suggest to you that you study out the OP with the scriptures that were given in the OP.

Be skeptical if you wish; but do your homework.

I think that you will be better off for it.

 

[Faithiskey1]

Anything that basically begins with "I will now explain the Godhead" is gonna get a whole bunch of skepticism from me. No system can explain itself. To be able to explain God would be to be superior to God and that's just not possible.

On another site someone said. ''Anyone who claims to perfectly understand the trinity shows how little they know of the subject''

 

[justbyfaith]

On another site someone said. ''Anyone who claims to perfectly understand the trinity shows how little they know of the subject''

The doctrine of the Trinity is actually very simple (2 Corinthians 11:3-4) and reasonable (Isaiah 1:18).

 

[justbyfaith]

I would say that if anyone says that the doctrine of the Trinity is incomprehensible, it shows that they have no concept of its reality.

 

[Faithiskey1]

I would say that if anyone says that the doctrine of the Trinity is incomprehensible, it shows that they have no concept of its reality.

I have watched debates concerning trinity on the internet, and I have never seen anyone from either side of the debate answer every scripture put to them on the subject. That includes ministers and those who have been christians for decades

 

[justbyfaith]

I have watched debates concerning trinity on the internet, and I have never seen anyone from either side of the debate answer every scripture put to them on the subject. That includes ministers and those who have been christians for decades

I have answered most if not all of the scriptures that have been posted to me on the subject.

If you have a question as concerning my doctrine, by all means ask!

 

[Faithiskey1]

I have answered most if not all of the scriptures that have been posted to me on the subject.

If you have a question as concerning my doctrine, by all means ask!

I don't discuss trinity on the internet

 

[justbyfaith]

I don't discuss trinity on the internet

Suit yourself.

I would suggest to you that the Lord has given me good insight on the subject, however.

So, as concerning my teaching, I would suggest that you,

2Ti 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[TheLearner]

If I recall correctly, that account of Jesus' baptism was so important that it was included in all the Gospels. Please correct me if I am wrong. Also:

Joh_20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

It would seem that Jesus Christ the Son ascended bodily to the Father.

Anything that basically begins with "I will now explain the Godhead" is gonna get a whole bunch of skepticism from me. No system can explain itself. To be able to explain God would be to be superior to God and that's just not possible.

There is rank in the Godhead. The Father sent the Son, Both sent the Holy Spirit --- If I remember right.

 

[TheLearner]

I have watched debates concerning trinity on the internet, and I have never seen anyone from either side of the debate answer every scripture put to them on the subject. That includes ministers and those who have been christians for decades

I am curious to which texts you mean?

 

[TheLearner]

I don't discuss trinity on the internet

Why Not? there are many resources like: https://www.calvarychapelboston.com/Biblical Basis Trinity Bowman.pdf

 

[Faithiskey1]

This is not a matter of what is important to me personally. But it is important to all who would be saved that they believe what God has revealed about Himself and Christ. Except a person believes wholeheartedly that Jesus is God -- I AM -- who became Man to die for our sins, he or she cannot be saved. That is precisely what Jesus said (John 8:24). And unless a person believes wholeheartedly that when he is baptized it is in the name of the triune Godhead - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit -- then his baptism is of little value since there is unbelief in his heart. This too is exactly what Jesus said (Mt 28:19)

Do not go beyond what is written 1Cor4:6