Understanding the Trinity as a doctrine.

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Dino246

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justbyfaith said:
The verse in question teaches that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost...and therefore was begotten in the incarnation.
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That's a non sequitur. It does not follow, and therefore your assertion is not sound.
 
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ChristianSubMissionary said:
Creation is then eternal?
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God exists outside of time. He sees the beginning and the end of the parade as though He were looking down on it from a blimp.

From the perspective of being outside of time, creation is always in view because God lives in one eternal moment, in which from the perspective of being outside of time, time is always in perspective.

ChristianSubMissionary said:
The ruler is then eternal?
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An eternal being holds the ruler.

ChristianSubMissionary said:
Who is this person apart from the Holy Spirit?
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Still God.

ChristianSubMissionary said:
The Father, as a person, and the ruler are eternal?
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The Father is eternal and holds the ruler from the perspective of dwelling in eternity. Eternity surrounds time. Therefore what is in time is always in perspective of someone who inhabits eternity; because eternity does not consist of an everlasting line of time to the left and right of what we call time; rather it is what I said about the parade and God being in the blimp. We, from the perspective of time, watch the parade going by from float to float. From the perspective of eternity God sees the whole parade.
 
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justbyfaith said:
Judge ye not, lest ye be judged...
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If you're going to quote and misrepresent Scripture, at least get the quotation accurate.

As for your admonition, it's hypocritical, for in accusing me of judging you, you are judging me.
 
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Dino246 said:
If you're going to quote and misrepresent Scripture, at least get the quotation accurate.

As for your admonition, <snip> for in accusing me of judging you, you are judging me.
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Of course. Because you judged, you got judged....just like that scripture says.
 
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justbyfaith said:
I will attempt to explain the Trinity with the following things in mind.

Eph 3:3, How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph 3:4, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Tit 2:1, But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4); the Father (John 4:23-24), the Son (John 4:24, Ephesians 3:17, Colossians 1:27, 1 John 5:12), and the Holy Ghost (John 7:39, 2 Timothy 1:14).

There is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5); the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21), the Son (1 Corinthians 8:6, 1 Corinthians 12:3), and the Holy Ghost (2 Corinthians 3:17).

There is one God (Ephesians 4:6); the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6, James 3:9 (kjv), Romans 15:6, Ephesians 4:6), the Son (Hebrews 1:8-9; John 8:58, Exodus 3:14; John 8:59, John 10:31-33), and the Holy Ghost (Acts 5:3-4, Romans 8:26-27).

With this in mind, I encourage the reader to interpret 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 and Ephesians 4:4-6.

That being said, there are distinctions between the members of the Trinity.

The Father is a Spirit (John 4:23-24) inhabiting eternity (Isaiah 57:15) without flesh.

The Son is the same Spirit (Ephesians 4:4, John 4:24) dwelling in human flesh (1 John 4:1-3, 2 john 1:7).

The Holy Ghost is the same Spirit (Ephesians 4:4, John 7:39); after having lived a human life in the Person of the Son (see Luke 23:46); released to the Father in eternity from the human body of the Son; and who also descends into time in order to produce holy scripture (1 Peter 1:11) and to work within the church in order to win souls to Jesus Christ.

The Father, in the descending into time to take on an added nature of human flesh, did not VACATE ETERNITY.

So, when Jesus releases His Spirit (see John 14:7-11) back into eternity, there is now one God existing beside Himself in eternity; as there are two distinct Persons in the Father and the Holy Ghost who are infinite in nature.

The Son also being infinite in nature in His Deity; however in His humanity, which has received a glorified human body likened unto the angels (Matthew 22:30), He is of a finite nature and as He said, "The Father is greater than I" (John 14:28); while as concerning His Deity He is equal to the Father (John 5:18).

For I contend that the Son is the Son in the reality that there is a hypostatic union of the two natures of humanity and Deity.

I also contend that the Son was begotten in the incarnation (Luke 1:35); but that He ascended to fill all things (Ephesians 4:10) in the Person of the Holy Ghost.
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Better thee than me to try to explain There is One God. “God is a Spirit”, yep that’s Him. God is The Son , Yep that’’s Him, It pleased the Father that in Him should all fullness dwell , yep that’s Him. Great is the Mystery of Godliness , God was manifest the flesh , Yep that’s Him, He that sees me sees Him who sent me, yep thats Him . The Holy Spirit is Called The Spirit God, The Spirit of the Father , and the Spirit of Christ yep That’s Him, Also called the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus Christ our Lord from the dead , Yep thats Him The Son is Called the Everlasting Father in Isaiah . Blessed be the Lord , I am laughing too much . I have to stop. Glory to our God.
 
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