Universal Reconcilation

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IamWhoIam

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7seasrekeyed said:
I can easily see this thread turning into a 'how many plumbers does it take to screw in a light bulb' joke

if someone can figure out a variation on how many experts does it take to come up with the wrong answer?

you have to see it to believe it

perhaps next we can decide which side of the toast is best to spread your butter on

then, we can go on to the merits of possibly not using butter

then someone can question whether or not a butter knife is best or if any simple handy knife within the kitchen will suffice

nutmeg

nutmeg to the lot of you :rolleyes:
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hehe, or rather it's a electrician or a plumber who screws light bulbs in for a living, jk.
 
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IamWhoIam said:
hehe, or rather it's a electrician or a plumber who screws light bulbs in for a living, jk.
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I like the one about the border collies

so, Mr Border Collie, how many border collies does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Just one. And then I’ll replace any wiring that’s not up to code.

actually, for anyone in the mood for a chuckle who also happens to be fond of canines, try this

okay...break is over...everyone back to their corner
 
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Galatea, I think universalism is a subtle, deceiving heresy. How nice to believe all will be saved! But it simply isn't true!

And yet, you post in an orthodox Christian forum you are looking only for people who will support you in this heresy. When people post the Bible, you say you don't want to hear from them. You only want people who will confirm your false doctrine to post and contact you!

I for one, care about you! When I see you headed down these wrong paths, I have spoken to you. Once again, I see you heading down a terribly wrong road. One which leads away from God, not towards him.

So, I will post on this thread. And I will beg you to read the Bible. If you read it, you would find this doctrine is simply NOT in the Bible. But instead, you ignore what people have posted, and go looking for heretics to learn from.

My mother is a universalist. She doesn't know the Bible at all. She confronted a Sunday School teacher when she was a child, and either the teacher had no answer, or she didn't listen carefully. I asked her, "So, you want to be in heaven with an unrepentant child molesting murderer?" She was taken aback.

Repentance is foundational to the gospel. We MUST turn away from our sin. Anyone holding onto their favourite sins, and not hating them, is rejecting Christ. Do you want to be in heaven with an unrepentant wife abuser/murderer? Because that is what universalism is. And there is no way to turn from sin to God after you die.

"And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him." Hebrews 9:27-28

Note, that he will appear to "many" not "all." And only to those who await him. Does an atheist wait for Jesus? Does a Satanist wait for Jesus? No, they do not, and they will not be saved.
 
DJ2

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Boy. You walk away from your keyboard for just a moment and the topic turns to buttered toast. What did I miss?
 
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7seasrekeyed

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DJ2 said:
Boy. You walk away from your keyboard for just a moment and the topic turns to buttered toast. What did I miss?
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the scrambled eggs
 
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DJ2 said:
Boy. You walk away from your keyboard for just a moment and the topic turns to buttered toast. What did I miss?
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Man cannot live by bread alone; butter is recommended :D

Also good (butter) for greasing that camel to fit through the eye of a needle :eek:

(With apologies to Galatea)
 
1ofthem

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This is a nice thought. I'd love to see everyone saved myself, but all anyone has to do is read scripture and it is evident it is not going to happen. This is just people looking for some other way than what scripture plainly tells us. God is God and he will not be mocked. We will either accept him or we won't and if anyone don't then they will not be saved.

To even hint that all will be saved regardless of whether they accept him is completely false and dangerous. I definitely don't want to be one telling others such as atheist there is no need to worry about God because he will save you whether you believe or not. I mean really come on people...this is a false and deceiving doctrine and the scripture warns about things like this.
 
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Galatea said:
Does anyone believe in universal reconciliation on this site? I know it is heresy to most people. If anyone believes in it and knows a lot about it, I would appreciate if someone would pm me. If we talk in a thread, it may be deleted as heresy. I am increasingly coming to this belief as it is the only thing that really makes sense.

Thanks
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There is a difference between reconciliation and justification.

"universal reconciliation" is not "universal salvation."

God reconciled the WORLD to himself. The Lord Jesus Christ paid for all sin and the Father is satisfied for the payment of ALL sin.

But one is justified/saved only when they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and His work.

For those who never believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, they will be judged according to their deeds/works/self righteousness. Because sin,all sin has been judged.

1 John 2:2

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and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.


Matt 7:22

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"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'

Rev 20:12

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And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
 
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Just to clarify, universal reconciliation teaches that all will come to belief.



1ofthem said:
This is a nice thought. I'd love to see everyone saved myself, but all anyone has to do is read scripture and it is evident it is not going to happen. This is just people looking for some other way than what scripture plainly tells us. God is God and he will not be mocked. We will either accept him or we won't and if anyone don't then they will not be saved.

To even hint that all will be saved regardless of whether they accept him is completely false and dangerous. I definitely don't want to be one telling others such as atheist there is no need to worry about God because he will save you whether you believe or not. I mean really come on people...this is a false and deceiving doctrine and the scripture warns about things like this.
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beastslayer1970

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Regardless of what the atheist, secular humanist and pagan members believe the consensus among most of them is that there is a creator and that creator cares for and desires reunion with its creation.

You are quite wrong about pagans not believing in God. There was a group of Wiccans worshipping there and they believed in many gods. They even offered a prayer to silence the winds of Hurricane Gustav. No Joke.
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And you are deceived.

Wicca's do not worship many gods. Primarily they worship the goddess and her god. that is the core of Wicca.

Not one secualr humanist like Dawkins, Harris and others believe in any form of higher power.

Agnostics believe in a higher power. Atheists do not.

Stop calling evil good.
 
MichaelOwen

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Well, it really boils down to this...you're either worshipping the Lord, or your worshipping Baal, or following Satan, there is no in between, the bible is VERY clear on that matter.
 
1ofthem

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UnderGrace said:
Just to clarify, universal reconciliation teaches that all will come to belief.
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Thanks for the clarification, but I just can't see that happening either because their is too much scripture that goes against such a thing. I think that it is just as dangerous. That is kind of what I was trying to get at in my other post but I may rambled with it a little, though. Is it not kind of the same thing as telling people not to worry about accepting God during their lifetime because eventually they will all believe and be saved? I think that it is just playing with fire.
 
DJ2

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beastslayer1970 said:
And you are deceived.

Wicca's do not worship many gods. Primarily they worship the goddess and her god. that is the core of Wicca.

Not one secualr humanist like Dawkins, Harris and others believe in any form of higher power.

Agnostics believe in a higher power. Atheists do not.

Stop calling evil good.
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What is wrong with you? I never said that secular humanists or atheists believe in any form of God. Could you please point out the post number where I wrote such a thing.
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
I can easily see this thread turning into a 'how many plumbers does it take to screw in a light bulb' joke

if someone can figure out a variation on how many experts does it take to come up with the wrong answer?

you have to see it to believe it

perhaps next we can decide which side of the toast is best to spread your butter on

then, we can go on to the merits of possibly not using butter

then someone can question whether or not a butter knife is best or if any simple handy knife within the kitchen will suffice

nutmeg

nutmeg to the lot of you :rolleyes:
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I prefer Country Crock over butter. I'm down with the nutmeg though, especially sprinkled on Egg Nog.
 
posthuman

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beastslayer1970 said:
Not one secualr humanist like Dawkins, Harris and others believe in any form of higher power.
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Thomas Paine? often called 'the father of secular humanism in America' and very expressly and publicly deist?

not saying he's remotely right. just that you're wrong in your blanket assertion that secular humanists are all atheist.

i also suspect that if we looked, we'd find a great number of secular humanists in churches all across the country on any given sunday. some of them are even standing behind pulpits.
 
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beastslayer1970

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posthuman said:

Thomas Paine? often called 'the father of secular humanism in America' and very expressly and publicly deist?

not saying he's remotely right. just that you're wrong in your blanket assertion that secular humanists are all atheist.

i also suspect that if we looked, we'd find a great number of secular humanists in churches all across the country on any given sunday. some of them are even standing behind pulpits.
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Then you might need to understand what a true secular humanist is. The promotion of self over anything.

Thomas Paine quotes: notice the bold.
I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life.
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I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.

All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

Source-wikipedia

even the devils believe in God. God does not save us, Jesus did.

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beastslayer1970

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DJ2 said:
What is wrong with you? I never said that secular humanists or atheists believe in any form of God. Could you please point out the post number where I wrote such a thing.
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Regardless of what the atheist, secular humanist and pagan members believe the consensus among most of them is that there is a creator and that creator cares for and desires reunion with its creation.

You are quite wrong about pagans not believing in God. There was a group of Wiccans worshipping there and they believed in many gods. They even offered a prayer to silence the winds of Hurricane Gustav. No Joke.
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Now off you go to bed and with no butter.
 
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