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RachelBibleStudent

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JaumeJ said:
Actually there is a valid school of thought supporting the Healing Zeus Soter=iesous thread. Perhaps a little research before leveling charges of ignorance is in order. I do lean toward the transliteration from the Hebrew, but, since Elohanu has seen fit to show me the name our Savior used in His own tongue, I use it also out of reverence to Yeshua, to Yahweh, to the disciples, to Mary, to Joseph, and to all who knew Him by His name.....God bless you and be your true light, in Yeshua's name, amen.
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'zeus' is spelled 'zeta epsilon upsilon sigma'

'iesous' is spelled 'iota eta sigma omicron upsilon sigma'...there is no zeta or epsilon in there...two out of the four letters in 'zeus' are not present...and the 'upsilon sigma' is just the usual ending for a greek or hellenized name...

i repeat...-none- of the uniquely identifying letters in the name 'zeus' are present in the name 'iesous'

this notion that 'iesous' has anything to do with 'zeus' is based solely on how the word sounds and completely -ignores- how it is spelled and how greek words are constructed...

it makes about as much sense as saying 'yeshua' has something to do with shoes because part of the name sounds like 'shoe'
 
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another thing that shows that this claim is just an urban legend is the fact that there are several different versions of it...

it has also been wrongly claimed that 'iesous' means 'son of zeus' or 'hail zeus'...in addition to the 'healing zeus soter' claim in this thread...

-all- of these claims are based solely on the way the names sound...totally ignoring how they are spelled and how greek words are produced...the kind of mistake only an absolute novice would make...
 
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Trax said:
Of course you are happy being under bondage. That is why so many do it.
All I can say is study 1 Cor chapter 8.
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The law is only a bad thing for those who do not understand it. The law is only bondage for those who do not trust the Lord entirely for their salvation. However, for those who place their trust entirely in the Lord for salvation, the law becomes a tool for instruction. It provides us with insight into the heart and nature of God. Those who truly love the Lord will want to obey the law not because they think the law can save but because the law teaches us how to live a pleasing life unto the Lord. In other words; the law - without love - is nothing less than legalism.

Anyone who teaches that a modern believer should completely ignore the law and go on living a selfish lifestyle full of sin and corruption will one day hear the words 'be gone from Me you worker of iniquity for I never knew you.'
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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JaumeJ said:
Actually there is a valid school of thought supporting the Healing Zeus Soter=iesous thread. Perhaps a little research before leveling charges of ignorance is in order. I do lean toward the transliteration from the Hebrew, but, since Elohanu has seen fit to show me the name our Savior used in His own tongue, I use it also out of reverence to Yeshua, to Yahweh, to the disciples, to Mary, to Joseph, and to all who knew Him by His name.....God bless you and be your true light, in Yeshua's name, amen.
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better be careful...you referred to God as 'elohanu'...'el' was also the name of an ancient pagan god...
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
better be careful...you referred to God as 'elohanu'...'el' was also the name of an ancient pagan god...
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El is a generic name for gods, however when used in the mentioned form it refers to YHVH or if you would YHWH, since transliterations vary. You are showing yourself educated in a most unusual manner.
In one of the Psalms it is said of man that "you are gods," elohim in Hebrew, translitereated of course.

You seem to have confused the origin of the word, Easter, with the resurrection of our Savior. First learn the difference, and then please stop inferring other people here are something less than family in Yeshua.

Is it that you dislike, perhaps even hate others for the Name of our Savior? Yeshua? I know I do not hate anyone who loves the resurrected Savior, even if they call Him Jesus, it is valid for them, and I am free to call Him what His family called Him. Would you deny folks this privilege?
 
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JaumeJ said:
Is it that you dislike, perhaps even hate others for the Name of our Savior? Yeshua? I know I do not hate anyone who loves the resurrected Savior, even if they call Him Jesus, it is valid for them, and I am free to call Him what His family called Him. Would you deny folks this privilege?
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i like the name yeshua...it means 'yahweh saves'

if you want to call him 'yeshua' that is fine with me...but -don't- claim that it is some act of depaganizing obedience to call him by that name... that is self righteousness...not to mention factually incorrect...

i love truth...and if someone is doing something permissible or even honorable based on -untrue- reasons...shouldn't the untruth be reproved?

otherwise i can go around singing 'amazing grace' while claiming that jesus wrote it himself...
 
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Crossfire said:
The law is only a bad thing for those who do not understand it. The law is only bondage for those who do not trust the Lord entirely for their salvation. However, for those who place their trust entirely in the Lord for salvation, the law becomes a tool for instruction. It provides us with insight into the heart and nature of God. Those who truly love the Lord will want to obey the law not because they think the law can save but because the law teaches us how to live a pleasing life unto the Lord. In other words; the law - without love - is nothing less than legalism.

Anyone who teaches that a modern believer should completely ignore the law and go on living a selfish lifestyle full of sin and corruption will one day hear the words 'be gone from Me you worker of iniquity for I never knew you.'
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This isn't about the Law. It is about self-created sins. For some, Saturday is the day of worship
and others its Sunday. What it is called, is "Bondage." In truth, it don't matter which day.
But for those who have settled it in their minds as a sin, it is NOW a sin. For those who know
their liberties in Christ, wont regard one day above another. Those who regard one day
above another, satan has an opportunity to come after them, whereas he doesn't
have that opportunity with those who hold to their liberties and truth. This self-created sins
is weakness in the faith. And those who are in liberty in Christ have to voluntarily obstain
from certian acts, because it puts a stumbling block in the weak faith person. It becomes
not just a bondage for the individual, but the whole body.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Trax said:
This isn't about the Law. It is about self-created sins. For some, Saturday is the day of worship
and others its Sunday. What it is called, is "Bondage." In truth, it don't matter which day.
But for those who have settled it in their minds as a sin, it is NOW a sin. For those who know
their liberties in Christ, wont regard one day above another. Those who regard one day
above another, satan has an opportunity to come after them, whereas he doesn't
have that opportunity with those who hold to their liberties and truth. This self-created sins
is weakness in the faith. And those who are in liberty in Christ have to voluntarily obstain
from certian acts, because it puts a stumbling block in the weak faith person. It becomes
not just a bondage for the individual, but the whole body.
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that is a very good summary of what is wrong with legalism!
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
i like the name yeshua...it means 'yahweh saves'

if you want to call him 'yeshua' that is fine with me...but -don't- claim that it is some act of depaganizing obedience to call him by that name... that is self righteousness...not to mention factually incorrect...

i love truth...and if someone is doing something permissible or even honorable based on -untrue- reasons...shouldn't the untruth be reproved?

otherwise i can go around singing 'amazing grace' while claiming that jesus wrote it himself...[/quote

Now you are mixing threads. No one here, no one, has said that the name Yeshua is doing any such as you claim here. I have stressed simply that the name He was called by all who knew Him is Yeshua, and I like to feel the fellowship of our founding fathers in Yeshua. I call the Father Yahweh because of the great contribution Moses has made to the faith of millions, but first because this is the gerund form Yahweh gave to Moses.
By prefabricating what you have posted you are twisting what is being shared. I will not delete you from my membership, but I can certainly ignore you. I find your posts to pervert whatever subject you touch, and frankly quite freakish.
Are you deliberately misunderstanding every post you read, or are you simply not understanding what folks are saying?
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RachelBibleStudent

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JaumeJ said:
RachelBibleStudent said:
i like the name yeshua...it means 'yahweh saves'

if you want to call him 'yeshua' that is fine with me...but -don't- claim that it is some act of depaganizing obedience to call him by that name... that is self righteousness...not to mention factually incorrect...

i love truth...and if someone is doing something permissible or even honorable based on -untrue- reasons...shouldn't the untruth be reproved?

otherwise i can go around singing 'amazing grace' while claiming that jesus wrote it himself...[/quote

Now you are mixing threads. No one here, no one, has said that the name Yeshua is doing any such as you claim here. I have stressed simply that the name He was called by all who knew Him is Yeshua, and I like to feel the fellowship of our founding fathers in Yeshua. I call the Father Yahweh because of the great contribution Moses has made to the faith of millions, but first because this is the gerund form Yahweh gave to Moses.
By prefabricating what you have posted you are twisting what is being shared. I will not delete you from my membership, but I can certainly ignore you. I find your posts to pervert whatever subject you touch, and frankly quite freakish.
Are you deliberately misunderstanding every post you read, or are you simply not understanding what folks are saying?
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this whole thread began with you posting a scripture about not mentioning the names of other gods...and then saying that you used to believe that the name 'jesus' had a pagan origin...

then loveme1 chimed in with the typical line about 'obedience' in her response to what trax had said about how it is fine to use either name...

so yes it -was- said
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RachelBibleStudent

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also i never said to anyone in this thread or the other one that i did not consider them to be christians...which -you- claimed i had implied...

so who is really the one twisting and deliberately misinterpreting what people say?
 
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JaumeJ

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RachelBibleStudent said:
also i never said to anyone in this thread or the other one that i did not consider them to be christians...which -you- claimed i had implied...

so who is really the one twisting and deliberately misinterpreting what people say?
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Original post, prefaced by Scripture, my own text says nothing approaching what you are saying.
Please stop posting declarations about others' posts that are simply not true. Try rereading the original here, and try to understand what is being expressed. The scripture quotes are for others to clarify, and in my own text I ask for the contribution of Greek scholars on the subject for further clarification.............further clarification. By posting and saying people have posted something they have not said, you are confusing everyone who reads, or simply misleading them, and that is not the work of a disciple of Yeshua.
Also, if you can find it in your heart, notice I refer to Yeshua as Jesus for others benefit.............so what are you twisting up now?
Exo 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
Psa 16:4 Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips.

I love to call Jesus YESHUA because this is what He was called by His parents, brothers and sisters, followers and the disciples.
Today I verged on leaving the name Jesus altogether when I recalled having learned in my own early studies of His name that it actually means Healing Zeus Soter, a false god. With the teachings pasted above in mind I totally freaked out thinking I have been being disrespectful using the Greek name for Him, however upon further seeking, I have found Jesus is simply the Greek transliteration of Yeshua from the Hebrew, not Iesous=Healing Zeus Soter. Whew! Almost, but no prize, right?
If anyone out there is a Greek scholar and is able to shed total light on this, I certainly am interested in knowing all about it, however, to be safe and to be respectful, I believe I will simply call our Savior by the Name He used. Yahweh bless all in Yeshua now and always, in His precious name, amen.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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JaumeJ said:
Original post, prefaced by Scripture, my own text says nothing approaching what you are saying.
Please stop posting declarations about others' posts that are simply not true. Try rereading the original here, and try to understand what is being expressed. The scripture quotes are for others to clarify, and in my own text I ask for the contribution of Greek scholars on the subject for further clarification.............further clarification. By posting and saying people have posted something they have not said, you are confusing everyone who reads, or simply misleading them, and that is not the work of a disciple of Yeshua.
Also, if you can find it in your heart, notice I refer to Yeshua as Jesus for others benefit.............so what are you twisting up now?
Exo 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
Psa 16:4 Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips.

I love to call Jesus YESHUA because this is what He was called by His parents, brothers and sisters, followers and the disciples.
Today I verged on leaving the name Jesus altogether when I recalled having learned in my own early studies of His name that it actually means Healing Zeus Soter, a false god. With the teachings pasted above in mind I totally freaked out thinking I have been being disrespectful using the Greek name for Him, however upon further seeking, I have found Jesus is simply the Greek transliteration of Yeshua from the Hebrew, not Iesous=Healing Zeus Soter. Whew! Almost, but no prize, right?
If anyone out there is a Greek scholar and is able to shed total light on this, I certainly am interested in knowing all about it, however, to be safe and to be respectful, I believe I will simply call our Savior by the Name He used. Yahweh bless all in Yeshua now and always, in His precious name, amen.
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-that- post isn't the one where it was said...read the whole thread...

anyway you are ignoring the issue now and just attacking me...
 
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Everywhere I have been in the United States everyone has called Him Jesus Christ. Even the unbelievers who use His name as they would a curse word.

I like what Trax and RachelBibleStudent have posted. Judaism permeates christianity so much that it has almost blurred to some people what Christianity really is. It's important when condemnation tries to come that christians remind each other that there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.

I love the Lord Jesus. If you call Him by His Hebrew name that is ok with me. I call Him by His English Name. Jesus Christ.
 
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