Verged but Not Yet

[JaumeJ]

Exo 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
Psa 16:4 Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips.

I love to call Jesus YESHUA because this is what He was called by His parents, brothers and sisters, followers and the disciples.
Today I verged on leaving the name Jesus altogether when I recalled having learned in my own early studies of His name that it actually means Healing Zeus Soter, a false god. With the teachings pasted above in mind I totally freaked out thinking I have been being disrespectful using the Greek name for Him, however upon further seeking, I have found Jesus is simply the Greek transliteration of Yeshua from the Hebrew, not Iesous=Healing Zeus Soter. Whew! Almost, but no prize, right?
If anyone out there is a Greek scholar and is able to shed total light on this, I certainly am interested in knowing all about it, however, to be safe and to be respectful, I believe I will simply call our Savior by the Name He used. Yahweh bless all in Yeshua now and always, in His precious name, amen.

 

[loveme1]

I had this experience to, I also had something that came to me in a dream. I am going to message you this.

 

[Trax]

Exo 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
Psa 16:4 Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips.

I love to call Jesus YESHUA because this is what He was called by His parents, brothers and sisters, followers and the disciples.
Today I verged on leaving the name Jesus altogether when I recalled having learned in my own early studies of His name that it actually means Healing Zeus Soter, a false god. With the teachings pasted above in mind I totally freaked out thinking I have been being disrespectful using the Greek name for Him, however upon further seeking, I have found Jesus is simply the Greek transliteration of Yeshua from the Hebrew, not Iesous=Healing Zeus Soter. Whew! Almost, but no prize, right?
If anyone out there is a Greek scholar and is able to shed total light on this, I certainly am interested in knowing all about it, however, to be safe and to be respectful, I believe I will simply call our Savior by the Name He used. Yahweh bless all in Yeshua now and always, in His precious name, amen.

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Why don't you call Him Immanuel?

 

[JaumeJ]

Because He called Himself Yeshua. Immanuel is just one of His many titles, however His name is Yeshua.

 

[Avinu]

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Why don't you call Him Immanuel?

Very well put,

His name is also, Ha Sar Shalom,(prince of peace)
couselor, comforter, Savior, the list goes on. But no where is His name ever Jesus.

 

[Trax]

Very well put,

His name is also, Ha Sar Shalom,(prince of peace)
couselor, comforter, Savior, the list goes on. But no where is His name ever Jesus.

I speak of spiritual things and not physical things. This is why you miss the point and why many
miss understand what I post.

I worked with a man who had been a long time Southern Baptist. He switched to Messianic
Judaism because, as he said, they hold to the law of not eating pork. He was not happy
until he put himself under bondage. Many do this and defend their position with scripture.

Whether it is Jesus/Yeshua, tithing/not tithing, Saturday/Sunday, eat pork/not eat pork,
its a matter of one's conscious, yet it is a form of bondage. It becomes a sin for a person
to eat pork, if they think it is a sin. For me, who doesn't see it a sin, because I know I am free,
it will never be a sin. I shake my head many times when I see people, with liberty in Christ,
choose to create a sin situation in their life, so they can avoid doing it. And when they get to
that point, it is almost impossible for them to change. But Paul says that the person
who sees it as a sin and avoids doing it, is no better, than the person who doesn't see it
as a sin and does it. But that is speaking in righteousness, but the physical bondage is now
there.

So, whether you choose Immanuel, Yeshua, or Jesus, you will be refering to the same person.
To the person you may want to witness to, may not be familiar with Immanuel or Yeshua.
To get one's point across, you may have to go back to using Jesus, so they will understand
what you are talking about. And at that point, you'll have to cross that line you set up
for yourself to not cross.

 

[JaumeJ]

His Name is Yeshua.
Exo 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
Psa 16:4 Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips.

 

[loveme1]

I speak of spiritual things and not physical things. This is why you miss the point and why many
miss understand what I post.

I worked with a man who had been a long time Southern Baptist. He switched to Messianic
Judaism because, as he said, they hold to the law of not eating pork. He was not happy
until he put himself under bondage. Many do this and defend their position with scripture.

Whether it is Jesus/Yeshua, tithing/not tithing, Saturday/Sunday, eat pork/not eat pork,
its a matter of one's conscious, yet it is a form of bondage. It becomes a sin for a person
to eat pork, if they think it is a sin. For me, who doesn't see it a sin, because I know I am free,
it will never be a sin. I shake my head many times when I see people, with liberty in Christ,
choose to create a sin situation in their life, so they can avoid doing it. And when they get to
that point, it is almost impossible for them to change. But Paul says that the person
who sees it as a sin and avoids doing it, is no better, than the person who doesn't see it
as a sin and does it. But that is speaking in righteousness, but the physical bondage is now
there.

So, whether you choose Immanuel, Yeshua, or Jesus, you will be refering to the same person.
To the person you may want to witness to, may not be familiar with Immanuel or Yeshua.
To get one's point across, you may have to go back to using Jesus, so they will understand
what you are talking about. And at that point, you'll have to cross that line you set up
for yourself to not cross.

Sounds like someone is trying to enter in through the wide gate.

It is not one's conscience, it is one's obedience my friend.

 

[loveme1]

And do you know something, I am the happiest i have ever been since, as you put it, putting myself

"under bondage"

I witness to everyone that Almighty Yahvah's ways are the only way to true happiness and love.

You really missed the message the Bible is trying to give out.

But while there is breath, there is still hope.

A friend of mine used this and i will continue the saying.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

the greek name 'iesous' has nothing to do with zeus...it is just the greek version of yeshua and yehoshua...meaning 'yahweh saves'...which the bible actually points out in matthew 1:21

this is another example of people who don't know what they are talking about claiming that something has pagan origins just because it happens to sound like the name of a pagan deity

 

[JaumeJ]

I speak of spiritual things and not physical things. This is why you miss the point and why many
miss understand what I post.

I worked with a man who had been a long time Southern Baptist. He switched to Messianic
Judaism because, as he said, they hold to the law of not eating pork. He was not happy
until he put himself under bondage. Many do this and defend their position with scripture.

Whether it is Jesus/Yeshua, tithing/not tithing, Saturday/Sunday, eat pork/not eat pork,
its a matter of one's conscious, yet it is a form of bondage. It becomes a sin for a person
to eat pork, if they think it is a sin. For me, who doesn't see it a sin, because I know I am free,
it will never be a sin. I shake my head many times when I see people, with liberty in Christ,
choose to create a sin situation in their life, so they can avoid doing it. And when they get to
that point, it is almost impossible for them to change. But Paul says that the person
who sees it as a sin and avoids doing it, is no better, than the person who doesn't see it
as a sin and does it. But that is speaking in righteousness, but the physical bondage is now
there.

So, whether you choose Immanuel, Yeshua, or Jesus, you will be refering to the same person.
To the person you may want to witness to, may not be familiar with Immanuel or Yeshua.
To get one's point across, you may have to go back to using Jesus, so they will understand
what you are talking about. And at that point, you'll have to cross that line you set up
for yourself to not cross.

I must witness of what occurred for just me. I sought the Maker of all that is, without knowing about certain spiritual facts, but while seeking, my heart was broken for the suffering mankind was perpetrating on his fellow man. I had it in mind not to eat until I had some kind of satisfaction. I fell asleep and dreamed a dream that meant a lot to me; suffice it to say I felt my petition had been answered. I did not yet know Who it was that anwered me, but I did know it was from the One Who Is. The following day, I felt completely unakin to anything of this world. A car would go by, and it looked to me like something unknown, and while walking across the Quadrangle at the University of Illinois, I was talking to the One Who Is in my heart saying, "Gosh, mankind is bad, gosh, mankind is evil." Then without warning it all came into me at one time when I said to the One Who Is, "Hey, I am a man, YOU ARE IT." It was with pureness of heart and understanding, and YHVH's spirit came into me. Miracles insued, daily...............

Yes, I may call our Lord Yeshua, and, if it is YHVH's will, the person or people to whom I speak will be taught of the Holy Spirit, just as I was led to Yeshua over 40 years ago.
Either we believe YHVH or we do not, it is that simple. He does not need the help of any name, but I know my Savior's name is Yeshua. If people intend to refer to Him using another name that is between Yeshua and those people, meanwhile I will continue to use the name He used when He introduced Himself. Toda raba, thank you family in Yeshua, amen.

 

[loveme1]

the greek name 'iesous' has nothing to do with zeus...it is just the greek version of yeshua and yehoshua...meaning 'yahweh saves'...which the bible actually points out in matthew 1:21

this is another example of people who don't know what they are talking about claiming that something has pagan origins just because it happens to sound like the name of a pagan deity

You obviously have shares in paganism, you are very quick to call the truth a lie.

 

[JaumeJ]

the greek name 'iesous' has nothing to do with zeus...it is just the greek version of yeshua and yehoshua...meaning 'yahweh saves'...which the bible actually points out in matthew 1:21

this is another example of people who don't know what they are talking about claiming that something has pagan origins just because it happens to sound like the name of a pagan deity

Actually there is a valid school of thought supporting the Healing Zeus Soter=iesous thread. Perhaps a little research before leveling charges of ignorance is in order. I do lean toward the transliteration from the Hebrew, but, since Elohanu has seen fit to show me the name our Savior used in His own tongue, I use it also out of reverence to Yeshua, to Yahweh, to the disciples, to Mary, to Joseph, and to all who knew Him by His name.....God bless you and be your true light, in Yeshua's name, amen.

 

[Trax]

I must witness of what occurred for just me. I sought the Maker of all that is, without knowing about certain spiritual facts, but while seeking, my heart was broken for the suffering mankind was perpetrating on his fellow man. I had it in mind not to eat until I had some kind of satisfaction. I fell asleep and dreamed a dream that meant a lot to me; suffice it to say I felt my petition had been answered. I did not yet know Who it was that anwered me, but I did know it was from the One Who Is. The following day, I felt completely unakin to anything of this world. A car would go by, and it looked to me like something unknown, and while walking across the Quadrangle at the University of Illinois, I was talking to the One Who Is in my heart saying, "Gosh, mankind is bad, gosh, mankind is evil." Then without warning it all came into me at one time when I said to the One Who Is, "Hey, I am a man, YOU ARE IT." It was with pureness of heart and understanding, and YHVH's spirit came into me. Miracles insued, daily...............

Yes, I may call our Lord Yeshua, and, if it is YHVH's will, the person or people to whom I speak will be taught of the Holy Spirit, just as I was led to Yeshua over 40 years ago.
Either we believe YHVH or we do not, it is that simple. He does not need the help of any name, but I know my Savior's name is Yeshua. If people intend to refer to Him using another name that is between Yeshua and those people, meanwhile I will continue to use the name He used when He introduced Himself. Toda raba, thank you family in Yeshua, amen.

When you draw the line in the sand and make the choice to not cross it, you will be brought
into situations, that demand a huge effort not to cross. Just a fair warning. The more you
resolve to not do it, the greater effort required as well. For Satan will have another avenue
to come at you. This is why I choose to be under grace and hold on to my liberties in
Christ.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

You obviously have shares in paganism, you are very quick to call the truth a lie.

i will call a lie a lie...and that is what this 'jesus is pagan' nonsense is...it is a lie and someone has fallen for it...

 

[2knowhim]

I speak of spiritual things and not physical things. This is why you miss the point and why many
miss understand what I post.

I worked with a man who had been a long time Southern Baptist. He switched to Messianic
Judaism because, as he said, they hold to the law of not eating pork. He was not happy
until he put himself under bondage. Many do this and defend their position with scripture.

Whether it is Jesus/Yeshua, tithing/not tithing, Saturday/Sunday, eat pork/not eat pork,
its a matter of one's conscious, yet it is a form of bondage. It becomes a sin for a person
to eat pork, if they think it is a sin. For me, who doesn't see it a sin, because I know I am free,
it will never be a sin. I shake my head many times when I see people, with liberty in Christ,
choose to create a sin situation in their life, so they can avoid doing it. And when they get to
that point, it is almost impossible for them to change. But Paul says that the person
who sees it as a sin and avoids doing it, is no better, than the person who doesn't see it
as a sin and does it. But that is speaking in righteousness, but the physical bondage is now
there.

So, whether you choose Immanuel, Yeshua, or Jesus, you will be refering to the same person.
To the person you may want to witness to, may not be familiar with Immanuel or Yeshua.
To get one's point across, you may have to go back to using Jesus, so they will understand
what you are talking about. And at that point, you'll have to cross that line you set up
for yourself to not cross.

Amen, Amen,

I understand you, and you are absolutely correct.
That is exactly what I went through myself, I had set up a law in my mind, (touch not, handle not, taste not, etc.) unknowingly, until as you say I had to cross it, and then it was hell on earth for me to come out of it, but Praise be to Him, He is that way out, and I was set free from the bondage that had come upon me because of it.

I am grateful for the experience in Him, it taught me much.

In Christ we are free, but when you do this, you fall from Grace, and without Grace it is a Very Dark
place. But until you experience this yourself you will not know what Trax is talking about.

And no, he is not talking about a license to do what ever you want, that is not it at all, but I would say also be careful of the boundaries you set up for yourself, Christ paid an awesome price for you to be Free.
Thank God He never leaves us, or Forsakes us.

Thanks Trax, That was very Good

 

[Trax]

And do you know something, I am the happiest i have ever been since, as you put it, putting myself

"under bondage"

I witness to everyone that Almighty Yahvah's ways are the only way to true happiness and love.

You really missed the message the Bible is trying to give out.

But while there is breath, there is still hope.

A friend of mine used this and i will continue the saying.

Of course you are happy being under bondage. That is why so many do it.
All I can say is study 1 Cor chapter 8.

 

[2knowhim]

When you draw the line in the sand and make the choice to not cross it, you will be brought
into situations, that demand a huge effort not to cross. Just a fair warning. The more you
resolve to not do it, the greater effort required as well. For Satan will have another avenue
to come at you. This is why I choose to be under grace and hold on to my liberties in
Christ.

Again Amen,

I would be willing to say this is exactly how the enemy has the Right to Accuse us before Him, because now it's no longer the Blood of Christ that is keeping us, but our own works, and for this Satan can and does Accuse By Law. Even your own Law.

Why else would he contend for the body of Moses?
Because he knows very well that The Law is the ministration of Death and Condemnation.

 

[JaumeJ]

When you draw the line in the sand and make the choice to not cross it, you will be brought
into situations, that demand a huge effort not to cross. Just a fair warning. The more you
resolve to not do it, the greater effort required as well. For Satan will have another avenue
to come at you. This is why I choose to be under grace and hold on to my liberties in
Christ.

I am very sorry, but I do not see any line drawn there, did you notice the word "may" which by no means connotes being under any law except the law of love. I love Yeshua for what He did just for me, and I cannot change this simply because others have made a law for themelves, drawn a line as it were, to call Him by a name put on Him by people outside his family, outside his tribe, and outside his people. The majority of the traditions instituted by man since Yeshua ascended to sit at the right Hand of the Father are simply vehicles to distance the apostetic assemblies from the original church of the Jews in Yeshua. If this is your goal also, I am sorry. May Yahweh light our way as He chooses for us, in Yeshua amen.

 

[djness]

Tthis is something i have wondered, since there seems to be so much talk about the name of Jesus lately.
I, along with I don't know how many other Christians have prayed to Jesus and He has answered, whether it be about trivial day to day things or salvation.


So. If Jesus is not the Son of Gods name or a name He answers to then who is answering me and all the other people that pray to him?