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throughfaith

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This will manifest in the walk or not. If you continue in your sins without repentance, you are not actually in the faith at all. You will know the true sons of God by their fruit.
No that's Calvinism. Aka Lordship salvation. We are to reckon ourselves by the truth of the scriptures not through our subjective fruit bearing .
 

Chris1975

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Isnt Jesus the head , the foundation of the Church ? without the NT you wouldn't have a clue about the NT . Especially not least due to the cross and the ' mysteries ' only revealed in the NT .
John 14
23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.

This was spoken the evening before His Crucifixion. In your world this was only value for 24 hours ! :confused:
 

Chris1975

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Neither, but what we have are the acts of the apostles after the resurrection of Christ. Doctrine for the body of Christ goes through Paul. The book of Acts is a transition book not a doctrinal book for the body of Christ.
You make this up as you go along.
 

John146

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Yet you deny the Words of Jesus (the Head as you say).
Jesus is the foundation and He used the apostle Paul to lay the foundation.

10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
 

Chris1975

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No that's Calvinism. Aka Lordship salvation. We are to reckon ourselves by the truth of the scriptures not through our subjective fruit bearing .
Those who do not bear fruit are cut off as a branch and are withered and thrown in the fire. The Father is looking for Fruit.

In order to bear fruit, we are to Abide in Him.

In order to Abide, we are to Obey His commands.

In order to obey His commands, we are to Love Him.

And this just happens to be the Great commandment.
 

Chris1975

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Jesus is the foundation and He used the apostle Paul to lay the foundation.

10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Paul cannot save you.
 

Chris1975

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We need to rightly divide the bible. I read Jesus words in context.
You by your own admission have denied His words. Jesus said less than 24 hours before His death, that if you LOVE HIM, YOU WILL OBEY HIS COMMANDS. How's that for context. You mean to say this instruction was only valid for a period shorter than it takes for milk to go off?
 

throughfaith

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Those who do not bear fruit are cut off as a branch and are withered and thrown in the fire. The Father is looking for Fruit.

In order to bear fruit, we are to Abide in Him.

In order to Abide, we are to Obey His commands.

In order to obey His commands, we are to Love Him.

And this just happens to be the Great commandment.
So again a lost person only needs to ' bear fruit ' to be saved . No cross , no Holy Spirit? , no new birth , . they can be found in their own righteousness? Jesus wasted his time when after all the Father really was just looking for ' fruit bearers ' . No need to preach the good news telling people Jesus has died for their sins then ?
 

Chris1975

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So again a lost person only needs to ' bear fruit ' to be saved . No cross , no Holy Spirit? , no new birth , . they can be found in their own righteousness? Jesus wasted his time when after all the Father really was just looking for ' fruit bearers ' . No need to preach the good news telling people Jesus has died for their sins then ?
How can you Love God without believing in Jesus Christ?
 

Chris1975

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Nope, the gospel he preached can and has. 1 Corinthians 15:3-4.
And this same Paul says IN THE SAME CHAPTER the follwoing words (which confirm Jesus' words that if you love Him, you are to obey His commands). Paul writes as follows:

1 Corinthians 15v34 Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.

And since you claim to follow Paul, you have his commandment here. And by it you will be judged.
 

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Good grief....another hijacked thread........
 

John146

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And this same Paul says IN THE SAME CHAPTER the follwoing words (which confirm Jesus' words that if you love Him, you are to obey His commands). Paul writes as follows:

1 Corinthians 15v34 Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.

And since you claim to follow Paul, you have his commandment here. And by it you will be judged.
Yes, I will be judged. Thankfully, I have the righteousness of Christ.

Paul is speaking to the believers at Corinth who are also saved.
 

Chris1975

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Yes, I will be judged. Thankfully, I have the righteousness of Christ.

Paul is speaking to the believers at Corinth who are also saved.
Paul had to very sternly rebuke the believers at Corinth. They had to be brought to repentance (leading to -----> salvation).

2 Corinthians 7 v8 For even if I made you sorry with my letter, I do not regret it; though I did regret it. For I perceive that the same epistle made you sorry, though only for a while. 9 Now I rejoice, not that you were made sorry, but that your sorrow led to repentance. For you were made sorry in a godly manner, that you might suffer loss from us in nothing. 10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death. 11 For observe this very thing, that you sorrowed in a godly manner: What diligence it produced in you, what clearing of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what vehement desire, what zeal, what vindication!
 

Chris1975

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Yes, I will be judged. Thankfully, I have the righteousness of Christ.

Paul is speaking to the believers at Corinth who are also saved.
You say you have the righteousness of Christ, but deny His words. That cannot be a smart move.
 

Chris1975

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Luke 9
26 For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, of him the Son of Man will be ashamed when He comes in His own glory, and in His Father’s, and of the holy angels.
 

John146

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You say you have the righteousness of Christ, but deny His words. That cannot be a smart move.
You only learn of the righteousness of Christ through paul‘s epistles.

Are you a red letter Christian?
 
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You by your own admission have denied His words. Jesus said less than 24 hours before His death, that if you LOVE HIM, YOU WILL OBEY HIS COMMANDS. How's that for context. You mean to say this instruction was only valid for a period shorter than it takes for milk to go off?
Yes In that sense we are to pray without ceasing . His will be done . Jesus did the will of the father perfectly without sin.

The fact that we who had no faith, not little, none are given the power to obey the loving commandment " Believe upon the Lord and you will be saved"

It is our first love as a experience . God giving us ears to hear and understanding to believe by working out the will of Emanuel . Its that love spoken of in Revelation 2 .The love we return to or repent, the comforting love. Then we can focus on putting away more and more childish things. He must increase as we decrease

That time period is every time we hear the voice of His loving commandments and do not harden our hearts. Then we have received the labor of his love working with us making the burden lighter .if there is no mixing of faith there can be no love of God working to soften the heart.

Hebrews 4 King James Version (KJV) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.



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