Was Paul a Torah observant Jew?

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Blik said:
We are not so separated from all worldly law that our bodily actions are not judged.
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Okay, so that's how [you] feel about yourself with your Creator. However, I pay attention to Christ and what [He] said by His own Word and by the Holy Words given to His Apostles. I'm siding with Christ . . . every time.
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
Okay, so that's how [you] feel about yourself with your Creator. However, I pay attention to Christ and what [He] said by His own Word and by the Holy Words given to His Apostles. I'm siding with Christ . . . every time.
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Scripture is not about how I feel or what I think. Scripture is the word of the Lord. You are not disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with the Lord.
 
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Scripture is not about how I feel or what I think. Scripture is the word of the Lord. You are not disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with the Lord.
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I see. So when you speak, or write, what you say has been established by the Lord. Is that right? When I disagree with you, I'm actually disagreeing with God.

Scary. Very, very scary.
 
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Jesusistheway64 said:
Are these guys Torah followers? I know yall Ave disagreeing on the Law. I was reading yalls comments. I am not quite sure who believes what...I was being nosey...lol
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I have no idea of who they follow. There are only a small handful of people, here, that make any sense . . . as if all the others are bots, or just unbelieving Trolls. We know for a fact that people join these sites with the idea of playing the role of Christian, but come on board with the intent of causing division and strife. These people exist . . . we just don't know who they TRULY are. We just don't know.
 
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I have no idea of who they follow. There are only a small handful of people, here, that make any sense . . . as if all the others are bots, or just unbelieving Trolls. We know for a fact that people join these sites with the idea of playing the role of Christian, but come on board with the intent of causing division and strife. These people exist . . . we just don't know who they TRULY are. We just don't know.
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You know what? I have accused a few a being bots...I glad I am not the only one that sees them. They are very scripted and all them say the say thing.
 
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I have no idea of who they follow. There are only a small handful of people, here, that make any sense . . . as if all the others are bots, or just unbelieving Trolls. We know for a fact that people join these sites with the idea of playing the role of Christian, but come on board with the intent of causing division and strife. These people exist . . . we just don't know who they TRULY are. We just don't know.
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Some of them sound like "we are gods" doctrine....They literally think they are little gods. And they use the Bible to justify it... Basically its Egyptian/Babylon/Canaanite idol worship... If you remember the Jews were idol worshippers during that time. They worshipped Baal. Jews have always notorious defying God and going to idol worship. It actually goes back to the garden of Eden. When they ate of the tree of Good and evil.. God said " now they have become like us, to see good and evil" ...They twist the verses to say that God was referring to other gods. Ridiculous and blasphemous teaching... But the Elites that control the world beleive this. That's why you see pyramids/triangles all over the place. They speak through symbolism.
 
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Jesusistheway64 said:
Some of them sound like "we are gods" doctrine....They literally think they are little gods. And they use the Bible to justify it... Basically its Egyptian/Babylon/Canaanite idol worship... If you remember the Jews were idol worshippers during that time. They worshipped Baal. Jews have always notorious defying God and going to idol worship. It actually goes back to the garden of Eden. When they ate of the tree of Good and evil.. God said " now they have become like us, to see good and evil" ...They twist the verses to say that God was referring to other gods. Ridiculous and blasphemous teaching... But the Elites that control the world beleive this. That's why you see pyramids/triangles all over the place. They speak through symbolism.
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I hear what you're saying. When it comes to the "little god's" thing . . . I think it just depends on the angle. If someone tells me that they are a Child of God, how are they not a "little god?" Or, if I am the child of a "human," how am I not a "little human"? I don't look too deeply into the concept, for to get worked up over it is fruitless. We need to know Circumcision of the Heart before anything else. We should learn that specific doctrine before we take another step or breath. That's how important it is.
 
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I hear what you're saying. When it comes to the "little god's" thing . . . I think it just depends on the angle. If someone tells me that they are a Child of God, how are they not a "little god?" Or, if I am the child of a "human," how am I not a "little human"? I don't look too deeply into the concept, for to get worked up over it is fruitless. We need to know Circumcision of the Heart before anything else. We should learn that specific doctrine before we take another step or breath. That's how important it is.
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The point is we are not little gods. And the head of TBN before he died called himself a little god. It's not a concept. Its what these people believe. It's a lie from the devil... Dude you shocked me on that one.
 
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Jesusistheway64 said:
The point is we are not little gods. And the head of TBN before he died called himself a little god. It's not a concept. Its what these people believe. It's a lie from the devil... Dude you shocked me on that one.
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Lol . . . nah. I hear what you're saying and recognize the clear difference from what the TBNsters and I am saying. I am definitely NOT a God. Pft . . . I'm not even a Prophet. In fact, I am nothing compared to God. :D
 
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Lol . . . nah. I hear what you're saying and recognize the clear difference from what the TBNsters and I am saying. I am definitely NOT a God. Pft . . . I'm not even a Prophet. In fact, I am nothing compared to God. :D
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Thank goodness...Have a good night :)
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
I see. So when you speak, or write, what you say has been established by the Lord. Is that right? When I disagree with you, I'm actually disagreeing with God.

Scary. Very, very scary.
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Let us discuss 2 Cor. 5:10 and leave anything I say about it out of it. That is scripture, I am but a human.
 
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I disagree with you that because we are saved by grace, not law, we are not asked to keep the law. Keeping the law never results in our salvation, but a saved person who has been freed of sin through grace is asked not to go back to that sin.

The fact is that we, being made of flesh, sin even though we do not want to sin as Paul tells us, but that fact has no bearing at all on that we are asked to repent of all sin.

Matt. 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

1 John 2:3 By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments.
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Are saying basically that that if we are saved then we should show the fruits of our salvation. I beleive we should walk in holiness with guidance from the Holy Spirit. Genuine salvation will be fruitful. We should have the will to stop sinning.
 
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Maybe instead of fighting among each other is do this:


Mark 12:30-31
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30 And you shall (A)love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ [a]This is the first commandment. 31 And the second, like it, is this: (B)‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than (C)these.”
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Scripture is not about how I feel or what I think. Scripture is the word of the Lord. You are not disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with the Lord.
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Do this and yall will stop disagreeing over fruitless things.


Matthew 22:37-40
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37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
 
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