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Peter was talking about the meat of scripture in that chapter, of which he clearly states Paul also taught. The longsuffering of Salvation through Christ, which he also taught in all his letters which, that meat, was sometimes hard to understand, for those ""unlearned " in the word of God.
No where, can that be viewed as a condemnation.That's clearly seeing something, that is not there.
Peter drew His sword and chopped some ones ear off. You think Peter would not be clear if he had issue with Paul there ?
"Beloved brother " equals condemnation to you ?
No where, can that be viewed as a condemnation.That's clearly seeing something, that is not there.
Peter drew His sword and chopped some ones ear off. You think Peter would not be clear if he had issue with Paul there ?
"Beloved brother " equals condemnation to you ?
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Why do you want to believe your canon as opposed to the one that nate is relating to you, or, Christ, I mean, Christ, I mean, cee, I mean, cfultz? (Dratted green brains , always a little behind schedule 
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What is the difference in your canon and theirs, messiahCfollower ? Why so stout and tied to believe it
By the way, Nate & Cfultz both have given you anything BUT a lack of response, as you put it, Mess
Certainly:
καὶ τὴν τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν μακροθυμίαν σωτηρίαν ἡγεῖσθε καθὼς καὶ ὁ ἀγαπητὸς ἡμῶν ἀδελφὸς Παῦλος κατὰ τὴν αὐτῷ δοθεῖσαν σοφίαν ἔγραψεν ὑμῖν
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Look you can believe as you wish. But I dont have to be a rocket scientist to know something is wrong with it.
Your saying the warning is about his "beloved brother Paul "?
And not about the wicked he mentioned at the start of the chapter: saying, " where is the promises of His coming ? "
Did Paul teach about the Coming of Christ, and the Lord's Day ? Yes he did.
It's in all those letters you want to toss out. Therefore your not going to have the blessings to read and understand .....
2 Peter 3
King James Version (KJV)
3 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
This is the warning. Its not about Paul. Because Paul warned about the same thing. ( continued on into the deeper truths )
Your saying the warning is about his "beloved brother Paul "?
And not about the wicked he mentioned at the start of the chapter: saying, " where is the promises of His coming ? "
Did Paul teach about the Coming of Christ, and the Lord's Day ? Yes he did.
It's in all those letters you want to toss out. Therefore your not going to have the blessings to read and understand .....
2 Peter 3
King James Version (KJV)
3 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
This is the warning. Its not about Paul. Because Paul warned about the same thing. ( continued on into the deeper truths )
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I believe in my canon because I have tested it in accordance with the commandments given, for example, in Deu 13, Deu 18, Isa 8:20, Mt 24, etc.
My canon is basically the Protestant canon minus the Pauline books & Hebrews. What is your canon, my friend, and why do you believe it?
They have refused to answer my question "which canon is the authoritative canon".
Certainly:
καὶ τὴν τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν μακροθυμίαν σωτηρίαν ἡγεῖσθε καθὼς καὶ ὁ ἀγαπητὸς ἡμῶν ἀδελφὸς Παῦλος κατὰ τὴν αὐτῷ δοθεῖσαν σοφίαν ἔγραψεν ὑμῖν
My canon is basically the Protestant canon minus the Pauline books & Hebrews. What is your canon, my friend, and why do you believe it?
They have refused to answer my question "which canon is the authoritative canon".
Certainly:
καὶ τὴν τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν μακροθυμίαν σωτηρίαν ἡγεῖσθε καθὼς καὶ ὁ ἀγαπητὸς ἡμῶν ἀδελφὸς Παῦλος κατὰ τὴν αὐτῷ δοθεῖσαν σοφίαν ἔγραψεν ὑμῖν
) OK, why are you so staunch against Paul's writings and Hebrews, which you must think is written by Paul ?
My Canon is the 66 books of the bible, just to answer your question
OK, thanks for answering me, Mess. (I nic everyone, don't take offense to that name, please, bro ) OK, why are you so staunch against Paul's writings and Hebrews, which you must think is written by Paul ? My Canon is the 66 books of the bible, just to answer your question
) OK, why are you so staunch against Paul's writings and Hebrews, which you must think is written by Paul ? My Canon is the 66 books of the bible, just to answer your question
Among other issues, I believe Paul and Hebrews teaches against YHVH's Law, one of the criteria given for discerning false prophets, and that his doctrines conflict with Messiah's.
Why do you believe in your 66 book canon?
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2 Peter 3, is a warning about the wicked. Certainly not about "beloved brothers" who would teach Christ ,and the Lord's day , and many wonderful truths as Paul did.
Peter is warning about the coming of Christ, and the Scoffed at. verse 3 an 4.
The reason for some of their scoffing verse 4.
The coming of Christ, and the Delay , and the reason, because of God's long suffer to us. ( Which Paul taught of. )
The Day of the Lord in verses 10-13 ( and all the deeper truths mentioned in-between all these things )
Peter then says, ALL these aforementioned things, Paul taught in his own Letters ( verse 12,13,14,15,16 ).. Peter again, calling Paul a beloved brother .
There is nothing Against Paul there. If anyone told you that there was, then those people, out right lied to you .
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No offense taken, thank you for your cordial and pleasant reply. I am more than happy to debate rationally with such individuals, without name-calling and emotional accusations.
Among other issues, I believe Paul and Hebrews teaches against YHVH's Law, one of the criteria given for discerning false prophets, and that his doctrines conflict with Messiah's.
Why do you believe in your 66 book canon?
Among other issues, I believe Paul and Hebrews teaches against YHVH's Law, one of the criteria given for discerning false prophets, and that his doctrines conflict with Messiah's.
Why do you believe in your 66 book canon?
Paul came to preach Christ the gospel, that was why he came, he didn't come to baptize or anything else, he came to tell others the good news ! To have 'faith in Christ.' Why do you want to take such wonderful 'news' away from your belief, mess ?
You don't believe this verse?
Paul Called by God
11I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ
You don't like this verses?
“For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”[SUP]e[/SUP]
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Scholars believe the book of 2 Corinthians was actually Paul’s forth letter to the church. The letter shows a pretty cool case study of leadership amidst a difficult situation. Step into Paul's shoes and try to feel what he faced.
First he had to defend his leadership and authority in the face of false teachers who questioned his leadership. Second the church was fragmenting and dividing over personalities and theological issues. The church in Corinth gave Paul one of his greatest challenges. Its members were spiritually immature and carnal (3:1-3). Paul made a valiant effort to bring the people together and produce a culture of cooperation.
Paul had a big job to do - correct immortality, idolatry and carnality. He wanted to receive an offering for the church in Jerusalem, but he realised he first had to offer a theological discourse on the benefits of giving.
God must have approved of Paul’s defence of his leadership and his argument that he did not receive his power form man, but from the lord. God gave Paul the strength and language to articulate some of the difficult claims and leader will have to communicate. God furnishes Paul with the power to argue and defend himself, to power to correct “laxness” among the Corinthians and the power to persuade the people to repent.
First he had to defend his leadership and authority in the face of false teachers who questioned his leadership. Second the church was fragmenting and dividing over personalities and theological issues. The church in Corinth gave Paul one of his greatest challenges. Its members were spiritually immature and carnal (3:1-3). Paul made a valiant effort to bring the people together and produce a culture of cooperation.
Paul had a big job to do - correct immortality, idolatry and carnality. He wanted to receive an offering for the church in Jerusalem, but he realised he first had to offer a theological discourse on the benefits of giving.
God must have approved of Paul’s defence of his leadership and his argument that he did not receive his power form man, but from the lord. God gave Paul the strength and language to articulate some of the difficult claims and leader will have to communicate. God furnishes Paul with the power to argue and defend himself, to power to correct “laxness” among the Corinthians and the power to persuade the people to repent.
So what about this from Paul:
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
True or false? and this:
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
True or false?
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
True or false? and this:
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
True or false?
Have you not read about the road to Damascus and the turning around of Saul to become Paul, and was missing for what 14 years and got the hand of fellowship from the Apostles for him to go to the gentiles, even though it was already comissioned from God for Paul to do this.
Is God a respecter of persons read acts 10 and 11
Is God a respecter of persons read acts 10 and 11