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After viewing the amount of people attacking Paul and other inaccuracies and false-hoods having to do with peoples "understanding"
of the Bible, I know this scripture has come to pass:
Amos 8:11-12
King James Version (KJV)
11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:
12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.
of the Bible, I know this scripture has come to pass:
Amos 8:11-12
King James Version (KJV)
11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:
12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.
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I just do not understand why these people who teach about half of the New Testament are not ashamed to admit that the Holy Spirit was not able to keep out from His written Word things which they say are false, and thus, imbedding in people's mind that the Bible is riddled with falsehood.
Not only is this an attack on Christianity, but on Jesus Christ' Covenant itself, seeing that what we have from God as New Testament Scripture is being belittled as man-made Scripture.
Surely, this attack is being taken into consideration by those here protecting their Christ-following roots?
Not only is this an attack on Christianity, but on Jesus Christ' Covenant itself, seeing that what we have from God as New Testament Scripture is being belittled as man-made Scripture.
Surely, this attack is being taken into consideration by those here protecting their Christ-following roots?
Yet many are not claming Paul to be a mere "pastor", but an "apostle" with a much greater standard.
The appearance was to Jerusalem (Psa 84:7) at the Temple to present offerings (Deu 16:16,17; 12:5,6), and to learn of YHVH's Torah/Law (Deu 31:11-13). Since the Temple is not extant, it is my belief that this particular law does not apply to faithful believers now.
1. The Greek text of 2Pet 3:15 does not include "God gave him". It only says "wisdom given him". The Greek text does not identify the source of Paul's wisdom. James 3:15 states that there is a devilish sort of wisdom.
2. The Greek text does not identify Paul as a "brother in Christ". Only as a "brother". Not all "brothers" are good brothers, cf Mt 10:21.
3. Whatever hidden wisdom Paul allegedly reveals, is it witnessed to by additional writers? Or preached only by Paul alone? Is Paul greater than Messiah's standard for Himself (cf Jn 5:31)?
The Tanach teaches that circumcision of the heart and flesh are both necessary. Faith plus obedience, which Messiah, and the twelve, and James the elder all preach.
The appearance was to Jerusalem (Psa 84:7) at the Temple to present offerings (Deu 16:16,17; 12:5,6), and to learn of YHVH's Torah/Law (Deu 31:11-13). Since the Temple is not extant, it is my belief that this particular law does not apply to faithful believers now.
1. The Greek text of 2Pet 3:15 does not include "God gave him". It only says "wisdom given him". The Greek text does not identify the source of Paul's wisdom. James 3:15 states that there is a devilish sort of wisdom.
2. The Greek text does not identify Paul as a "brother in Christ". Only as a "brother". Not all "brothers" are good brothers, cf Mt 10:21.
3. Whatever hidden wisdom Paul allegedly reveals, is it witnessed to by additional writers? Or preached only by Paul alone? Is Paul greater than Messiah's standard for Himself (cf Jn 5:31)?
The Tanach teaches that circumcision of the heart and flesh are both necessary. Faith plus obedience, which Messiah, and the twelve, and James the elder all preach.
In other words: you deny that Messiah commissioned His 11/12 Jewish apostles to be the Apostles to the Gentiles (Matthew 28:18-20)?
I find it quite incredulous to believe the alleged claim that the ministry to the small population of Jews were given to the 12, and the rest of the much larger Gentile world was given to one man!
I find it quite incredulous to believe the alleged claim that the ministry to the small population of Jews were given to the 12, and the rest of the much larger Gentile world was given to one man!
Not so, my friend.
YHVH commanded His Torah/Law.
The Pharisees developed their own man-made traditions which they allowed to cloud YHVH's Law.
YHVH sent Messiah to destroy the Pharisees' traditions and return His people back to His Law.
The Pharisees were in fact not Torah/Law observers. The Pharisees substituted their own traditions (which they called "the Oral Torah/Law") in place of YHWH's Commandments ("Written Torah/Law"). Mainstream Christians misunderstand the Pharisees' observance of their "Oral Torah" and thus wrongly believe them to be strict followers ofYHWH's Written Torah. The Pharisees believed they were themselves wholly righteous because of their strict observance of Oral Torah, confusing obedience to it with obedience to Written Torah. Pharisee Paul misunderstood this as well: cf Phl 3:5,6.
We see confirmation in the writings of Josephus and the Dead Sea Scrolls: the scribes and Pharisees were actually those who abandoned much of Written Torah and were loose in its observation; they were also the group that "loosened the commands" by modifying Written Torah through their own traditions in Oral Torah. The Sadducees were in reality the strict Torah observant group. We also have additional confirmation of this in Scripture when we see Messiah preaching against the Pharisees (and their associated scribes) on various occasions, and not the Sadducees. We must indeed be more Torah-observant than the lawless, liberal Pharisees (Mt 5:20, 2Pet 3:17)!
YHVH commanded His Torah/Law.
The Pharisees developed their own man-made traditions which they allowed to cloud YHVH's Law.
YHVH sent Messiah to destroy the Pharisees' traditions and return His people back to His Law.
The Pharisees were in fact not Torah/Law observers. The Pharisees substituted their own traditions (which they called "the Oral Torah/Law") in place of YHWH's Commandments ("Written Torah/Law"). Mainstream Christians misunderstand the Pharisees' observance of their "Oral Torah" and thus wrongly believe them to be strict followers ofYHWH's Written Torah. The Pharisees believed they were themselves wholly righteous because of their strict observance of Oral Torah, confusing obedience to it with obedience to Written Torah. Pharisee Paul misunderstood this as well: cf Phl 3:5,6.
We see confirmation in the writings of Josephus and the Dead Sea Scrolls: the scribes and Pharisees were actually those who abandoned much of Written Torah and were loose in its observation; they were also the group that "loosened the commands" by modifying Written Torah through their own traditions in Oral Torah. The Sadducees were in reality the strict Torah observant group. We also have additional confirmation of this in Scripture when we see Messiah preaching against the Pharisees (and their associated scribes) on various occasions, and not the Sadducees. We must indeed be more Torah-observant than the lawless, liberal Pharisees (Mt 5:20, 2Pet 3:17)!
1. Paul's words compose 27% of the Protestant New Tesatment, not half.
2. I do not say that the H.S. cannot keep things out of His Word. Instead, one must understand Deu 13:1-5 that He actually sends false prophets to test us! Can we discern between the two trees we have before us?
3. Which "Bible" is riddled with falsehood?
4. It's interesting that we have those who advocate that believers cannot and should not do what Messiah did (follow YHVH's Law), and yet call them "Christ-followers"! How ironic!
2. I do not say that the H.S. cannot keep things out of His Word. Instead, one must understand Deu 13:1-5 that He actually sends false prophets to test us! Can we discern between the two trees we have before us?
3. Which "Bible" is riddled with falsehood?
4. It's interesting that we have those who advocate that believers cannot and should not do what Messiah did (follow YHVH's Law), and yet call them "Christ-followers"! How ironic!
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People do a lot of things in the name of religion, yourself included. But allow Paul to speak for himself . Paul never told people Not to keep the ten commandments and like commandments. Christ told people to observe the law of the ten commandments, as Paul did also.
Paul however was not under the old Covenant of blood ordinances, and he never taught people to observe the old blood covenant as Christians. That would be sacrilegious .and Paul was right to keep people from that.
Do you observe the old blood rituals ?
Paul however was not under the old Covenant of blood ordinances, and he never taught people to observe the old blood covenant as Christians. That would be sacrilegious .and Paul was right to keep people from that.
Do you observe the old blood rituals ?