Was the crucifixion that Jesus endured the worst possible suffering a human could experience?

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VickyK

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He, Jesus, isn't still there, because He came back from the dead. 🙂
Just wondering, have you read all of the Bible or only bits and pieces ?
is there any scriptural evidence he went to Hell?

I've read all of it.
 
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@VickyK, Jesus' conscious experience was exclusive. No one experiences reality like He does. There are many reasons for that. Examples are; His body enjoyed the immortal life of His soul. His flesh was not in rebellion to His will. Since our bodies die our flesh obeys the laws that bodies that die need to obey rather than serving our will. His body obeyed His will. If someone isn't going to die their experience of reality is radically different than someone who is going to die. Only He could choose to die for instance. We don't have that choice. That makes His suffering a sacrifice. There is little foundation to compare our experience of suffering with His.
 

VickyK

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@VickyK, Jesus' conscious experience was exclusive. No one experiences reality like He does. There are many reasons for that. Examples are; His body enjoyed the immortal life of His soul. His flesh was not in rebellion to His will. Since our bodies die our flesh obeys the laws that bodies that die need to obey rather than serving our will. His body obeyed His will. If someone isn't going to die their experience of reality is radically different than someone who is going to die. Only He could choose to die for instance. We don't have that choice. That makes His suffering a sacrifice. There is little foundation to compare our experience of suffering with His.
@VickyK, Jesus' conscious experience was exclusive. No one experiences reality like He does. There are many reasons for that. Examples are; His body enjoyed the immortal life of His soul. His flesh was not in rebellion to His will. Since our bodies die our flesh obeys the laws that bodies that die need to obey rather than serving our will. His body obeyed His will. If someone isn't going to die their experience of reality is radically different than someone who is going to die. Only He could choose to die for instance. We don't have that choice. That makes His suffering a sacrifice. There is little foundation to compare our experience of suffering with His.
Not an answer to my question.
 

VickyK

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there should be evidence, or a reference to Him going there.
Do you wanna pm me, and we can discuss it ... ?
I am not able to pm you, but you are more than welcome to pm me.
 
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How could it be? Since humans will experience eternal suffering.
And you think that is subject to our judgement? God knows eternal realities we don't. The Japanese girl would choose not to be suffering. A person in hell would rather suffer the absence of God than His presence.
 

VickyK

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And you think that is subject to our judgement? God knows eternal realities we don't. The Japanese girl would choose not to be suffering. A person in hell would rather suffer the absence of God than His presence.
Why are presuming what Furuta would 'choose'? Or people in Hell for that matter?
 
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Not an answer to my question.
It is a question asked in ignorance of Jesus. You've gotten the answer you don't have the prerequisite knowledge to recognize it.
 

Runningman

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@VickyK , will you please take a look at my reply in response #4? I think I adequately answered your question off the starting line citing scripture. Please let me know if it is helpful or not. Thank you.
 

Journeyman

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What?
Your post needs explanation.
Instead of destroying his enemies, Lord bore the sins of mankind, the shame of us, the unbelief in him, the spitting on him, the mocking, the beating, the false witnesses, the contradicting, the hate, the murder. It was the wrath of sinner inflicted on the Son of God, not the wrath of God,

For I suffer humiliation for your sake and am thoroughly disgraced. My own brothers treat me like a stranger; they act as if I were a foreigner. Certainly zeal for your house consumes me; I endure the insults of those who insult you. Psa.69:7-9

As for the end of the unrepentant, the 2nd coming of Christ will be like a great lake of fire to them,

A fire goeth before him, and burneth up his enemies round about. Psa.97:3

he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: Rev.14:10

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ....Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men 2Cor.5:10-11

For our God is a consuming fire. Heb.12:29

And after having their all their sins laid bare, the wicked will be no more.
 
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@VickyK , will you please take a look at my reply in response #4? I think I adequately answered your question off the starting line citing scripture. Please let me know if it is helpful or not. Thank you.
Though you and others offer it, I haven't seen her value human suffering through the lense of Jesus Christ.