water baptism in Jesus' Name.
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Acts 10:43~ All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.
(2 Corinthians 11:3-4).
John 3:16 tells us that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish...iffy.
Mark 16:16 tells us that whoever believed and is baptized shall be saved...a more absolute promise.
Also, in the parable of the sower, the 2nd type of soil, "believes for a while and then falls away"
Do they have forgiveness of sins while they are believing?
If so, then they are saved but not of the elect...
My point being that baptism will seal the deal for you;
whereas mere faith in Jesus might bring forgiveness only for a season.
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If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
It should be clear that the Father is Lord (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21, 2 Corinthians 6:17-18), the Son is Lord (1 Corinthians 8:6, 1 Corinthians 12:3) and the Holy Spirit is Lord (2 Corinthians 3:17).
And, there is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5).
Therefore, to confess that Jesus is the Lord, one must acknowledge that He is the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost; one Lord.
What better way to do that than to be obedient to Matthew 28:19 by being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins?
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Therefore, since we have determined that your doctrine might be heresy, we ought to avoid it at all costs...since if there is even a 1% chance that it is heresy, it is a 1% chance that you will be hurt spiritually by such a doctrine.
If there is even a 1% chance that baptism in Jesus' Name is salvational, then there is a 1% probability that in teaching against it, you would be discouraging people from doing what it might take for them to enter heaven.
Mat 23:13, But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
But more than likely, there is over a 50% probability.
And if I am right, there is a 100% probability that you are discouraging people from doing what it takes to go to heaven by giving them a false hope.
If there is even a 1% chance that baptism in Jesus' Name is salvational, then there is a 1% probability that in teaching against it, you would be discouraging people from doing what it might take for them to enter heaven.
Mat 23:13, But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
But more than likely, there is over a 50% probability.
And if I am right, there is a 100% probability that you are discouraging people from doing what it takes to go to heaven by giving them a false hope.
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So, I can already hear the objections...
"@Angela53510 said that your doctrine on the Trinity is heresy. Therefore it might be heresy, and we should avoid it at all costs."
Thank you. in admitting that it only might be heresy, you are admitting that it might not be heresy; and that therefore it might be sound doctrine. Therefore, you ought to examine it as a Berean would (Acts 17:10-11) as to whether or not it is biblical, to determine whether or not it is biblical and therefore sound doctrine.
In the case of @mailmandan's contention, he is giving an alternate meaning to what it says in John 3:3-5 about whether or not "water" there refers to baptism. So, he is not showing forth something that can be defined as absolutely biblical since he is giving an alternate meaning for what the Bible says in that instance and is therefore not necessarily giving a biblical teaching on the matter; which would be relatable by a proof text.
In my case, I have given plenty of proof texts for my doctrine and no one has been able in over 250 posts to refute my doctrine on the Trinity with anything scriptural.
So, that indicates that what you think might be heresy also might not be heresy and I say to you truly that it is not heresy but sound doctrine and therefore it is not even true that it might be heresy.
I encourage the reader to be a Berean (Acts 17:10-11) on the matter.
"@Angela53510 said that your doctrine on the Trinity is heresy. Therefore it might be heresy, and we should avoid it at all costs."
Thank you. in admitting that it only might be heresy, you are admitting that it might not be heresy; and that therefore it might be sound doctrine. Therefore, you ought to examine it as a Berean would (Acts 17:10-11) as to whether or not it is biblical, to determine whether or not it is biblical and therefore sound doctrine.
In the case of @mailmandan's contention, he is giving an alternate meaning to what it says in John 3:3-5 about whether or not "water" there refers to baptism. So, he is not showing forth something that can be defined as absolutely biblical since he is giving an alternate meaning for what the Bible says in that instance and is therefore not necessarily giving a biblical teaching on the matter; which would be relatable by a proof text.
In my case, I have given plenty of proof texts for my doctrine and no one has been able in over 250 posts to refute my doctrine on the Trinity with anything scriptural.
So, that indicates that what you think might be heresy also might not be heresy and I say to you truly that it is not heresy but sound doctrine and therefore it is not even true that it might be heresy.
I encourage the reader to be a Berean (Acts 17:10-11) on the matter.
I certainly do not boast in the fact that I have been baptized in Jesus' Name, while I do boast in the salvation that resulted out of it. I do give credit where credit is due.
If I boast in the fact that I have the Holy Ghost because I have been baptized in Jesus' Name, then I am boasting in the fact that I have the Holy Ghost for having fulfilled the condition to a very real promise; but I am boasting primarily in the fact that I have the Holy Ghost.; which is made indisputable by the fact that I have been baptized in the name of Jesus.
Jer 9:24, But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.
1Co 1:31, That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
2Co 10:17, But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
2Co 10:18, For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.
If I boast in the fact that I have the Holy Ghost because I have been baptized in Jesus' Name, then I am boasting in the fact that I have the Holy Ghost for having fulfilled the condition to a very real promise; but I am boasting primarily in the fact that I have the Holy Ghost.; which is made indisputable by the fact that I have been baptized in the name of Jesus.
Jer 9:24, But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.
1Co 1:31, That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
2Co 10:17, But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
2Co 10:18, For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.
Who is WE? Baptismal regeneration is heresy. Our hope is in the Savior God (John 3:16; 10:9; 14:6) and not the water god. Either we are trusting 100% in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation or else we are 100% lost. (John 3:18; 1 John 5:11-13)
The Bible makes it clear that men are saved prior to receiving water baptism. These Gentiles in Acts 10 received the gift of the Holy Spirit and were manifesting the spiritual gift of tongues (which is only for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12) after believing the gospel but before receiving water baptism. (Acts 10:44-47) This observation must be balanced, however, by the fact that baptism was not considered an "optional extra" for these Gentiles. It was a command (Acts 10:48) that they were expected to obey. However, it was not obedience to this command that saved them, but their believing in Christ. (Acts 10:43)
Baptism is the expected initial outward response to the gospel, but it is not a part of the gospel itself. (1 Corinthians 1:17; 15:1-4) There are a handful of alleged prooftexts which are often cited to prove that the Bible makes baptism mandatory for salvation. A careful examination of each of these texts in context will show that none of them prove that baptism is absolutely required for salvation, though they do prove that baptism was an assumed initiatory response to the gospel of salvation. In other words, these texts only prove that baptism is regularly associated with conversion and salvation, rather than absolutely required for salvation.
The Bible makes it clear that men are saved prior to receiving water baptism. These Gentiles in Acts 10 received the gift of the Holy Spirit and were manifesting the spiritual gift of tongues (which is only for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12) after believing the gospel but before receiving water baptism. (Acts 10:44-47) This observation must be balanced, however, by the fact that baptism was not considered an "optional extra" for these Gentiles. It was a command (Acts 10:48) that they were expected to obey. However, it was not obedience to this command that saved them, but their believing in Christ. (Acts 10:43)
Baptism is the expected initial outward response to the gospel, but it is not a part of the gospel itself. (1 Corinthians 1:17; 15:1-4) There are a handful of alleged prooftexts which are often cited to prove that the Bible makes baptism mandatory for salvation. A careful examination of each of these texts in context will show that none of them prove that baptism is absolutely required for salvation, though they do prove that baptism was an assumed initiatory response to the gospel of salvation. In other words, these texts only prove that baptism is regularly associated with conversion and salvation, rather than absolutely required for salvation.
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Alternative meaning? Jesus did NOT say born of baptism and the Spirit in John 3:5. That is your eisegesis. As a Berean, I properly harmonized scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine. (John 3:5, 14-18; 4:10,14; 7:37-39; 15:3; Ephesians 5:26; 1 Peter 1:23)
In John 4:10, Jesus said, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." In John 4:14, Jesus said, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life. *Jesus connects this living water here with everlasting life. *Living water is not water baptism. In *1 Corinthians 12:13, we also read - ..drink into one Spirit. Water baptism is the picture or symbol of the new birth, but not the means of securing it. *Hermeneutics*
In John 4:10, Jesus said, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." In John 4:14, Jesus said, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life. *Jesus connects this living water here with everlasting life. *Living water is not water baptism. In *1 Corinthians 12:13, we also read - ..drink into one Spirit. Water baptism is the picture or symbol of the new birth, but not the means of securing it. *Hermeneutics*
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Absolutely false. Romans 5:1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
*So we are justified by faith (not faith and baptism) and we have access by faith into grace (not faith and baptism).
To say that baptism is not a work is to say that baptism is just a "nothing" instead and that no work whatsoever is accomplished when one is water baptized, which is ludicrous.
*So we are justified by faith (not faith and baptism) and we have access by faith into grace (not faith and baptism).
To say that baptism is not a work is to say that baptism is just a "nothing" instead and that no work whatsoever is accomplished when one is water baptized, which is ludicrous.
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Where is it written that baptism is an act that is a symbol to others.
Amd Jesus said that His baptism was to "fulfill all righteousness". Now knowing that Jesus is completely righteous amd always was, then we know that the righteousness being fulfilled is to the one who will later be baptized. Passing the rigjteousness of Christ to the one being baptized.
Amd Jesus said that His baptism was to "fulfill all righteousness". Now knowing that Jesus is completely righteous amd always was, then we know that the righteousness being fulfilled is to the one who will later be baptized. Passing the rigjteousness of Christ to the one being baptized.
I was always told, and this is by the old old Saints born late 1800's early 1900's and lived into the 1960's through the 1990's, when America was experiencing its last ever true Revival, that Water Baptism, is merely an outward showing to Others of what was Spiritually happening inside my heart.
Inside my Heart I am being Regenerated and Cleansed, but outwardly, by being Water Baptism, I am showing everyone this Water dunking here is NOTHING but a Physical SHOWING of SOMETHING happening Inside of me.
Inside my Heart I am being Regenerated and Cleansed, but outwardly, by being Water Baptism, I am showing everyone this Water dunking here is NOTHING but a Physical SHOWING of SOMETHING happening Inside of me.
You could not have showed it to me. Because its not there.
Your the one who needs to speak to Jesus. the word "water" is not the word "baptism"
once again, where is the WORD BAPTISM
John 3: 10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God
I can't find it. Can you?
Your the one who needs to speak to Jesus. the word "water" is not the word "baptism"
once again, where is the WORD BAPTISM
John 3: 10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God
I can't find it. Can you?