water baptism in Jesus' Name.
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I pray that you convict @heartwashed for putting an "x" #779 post from @Everlasting-Grace Lord, in Jesus' Name.
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Thats the problem you are not doign this
You interpret the word to fit your belief system. you do not conform you belief system to the world
Baptized into christ is the act of God baptizing or placing us into Christ.. It has nothing to do with water baptism.
Until you understand this basic fact. We can not help you
You interpret the word to fit your belief system. you do not conform you belief system to the world
Baptized into christ is the act of God baptizing or placing us into Christ.. It has nothing to do with water baptism.
Until you understand this basic fact. We can not help you
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I am most certainly willing to "have my eyes opened" to "the truth" if anyone can show scripture that refutes my doctrine. Up till now that has not been done.
But persisting in the truth, by definition, is to not persist in error.
So, if you can show me scripturally that what I believe is not the truth, I am all ears and will change my point of view.
But all that anyone has come up with is to say that baptism is a work. I do not believe that; and there is no scripture that declares that.
But persisting in the truth, by definition, is to not persist in error.
So, if you can show me scripturally that what I believe is not the truth, I am all ears and will change my point of view.
But all that anyone has come up with is to say that baptism is a work. I do not believe that; and there is no scripture that declares that.
Again, there are a lot of naysayers to the truth here (in this thread, too).
1Co 2:14, But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 16:9, For a great door and effectual is opened unto me, and there are many adversaries.
1Co 2:14, But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 16:9, For a great door and effectual is opened unto me, and there are many adversaries.
"You don't understand what a picture is?"
Yes, I do know the meaning of a symbol.
"A symbol is not the reality, but is a picture of the reality"
Agreed.
"The remission of sins is signified, but not procured in the waters of baptism."
Peter did not command them to be baptized so that they would receive a symbol of their remission of sins but were commanded to be baptized so that their sins would be forgiven. This is a straight forward understanding of Acts 2:38.
To label baptism for the remission of sins a symbol is a sign of an obsession with faith alone regeneration theology. There is no need to force such an understanding into a verse that is so clearly written.
"A man and a woman become united through their wedding vows and the ring symbolizes this. Just as we become united with Christ through faith and water baptism symbolizes this. Strictly speaking, the husband is united to his wife because of the marriage vows rather than the ring. Yet since the latter is the sign of their union, it is natural to speak of the ring to mean the reality it represents. "With this ring, I thee wed," although the ring is not the actual cause of the change in the marital status, just like water baptism is not the actual cause of our salvation status."
Baptism is the marriage vow (pledge) not the ring. Without the vow (pledge) the union does not exist. Again, you are forcing baptism for the remission of sins into something it is not. (1st Peter 3:21)
"Baptism would have no meaning without Christ’s death, burial and resurrection, but Christ’s death, burial and resurrection would still have meaning, even if there were no baptism. In other words, Christ’s death, burial and resurrection is the substance and baptism is the sign/symbol/picture. Without the substance there would be no sign/symbol/picture"
Agreed but this is true of most things.
Example, faith, repentance, confession etc. have no meaning without the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Again, without the pledge the works of Jesus Christ has no affect on the believer.
Baptism for the remission of sins is no more symbolic than was the covering of the the door posts with blood for the Hebrews in Egypt.
"just like water baptism is not the actual cause of our salvation status."
Agreed.
Baptism for the remission of sins is not the cause but the moment in time of salvation.
Yes, I do know the meaning of a symbol.
"A symbol is not the reality, but is a picture of the reality"
Agreed.
"The remission of sins is signified, but not procured in the waters of baptism."
Peter did not command them to be baptized so that they would receive a symbol of their remission of sins but were commanded to be baptized so that their sins would be forgiven. This is a straight forward understanding of Acts 2:38.
To label baptism for the remission of sins a symbol is a sign of an obsession with faith alone regeneration theology. There is no need to force such an understanding into a verse that is so clearly written.
"A man and a woman become united through their wedding vows and the ring symbolizes this. Just as we become united with Christ through faith and water baptism symbolizes this. Strictly speaking, the husband is united to his wife because of the marriage vows rather than the ring. Yet since the latter is the sign of their union, it is natural to speak of the ring to mean the reality it represents. "With this ring, I thee wed," although the ring is not the actual cause of the change in the marital status, just like water baptism is not the actual cause of our salvation status."
Baptism is the marriage vow (pledge) not the ring. Without the vow (pledge) the union does not exist. Again, you are forcing baptism for the remission of sins into something it is not. (1st Peter 3:21)
"Baptism would have no meaning without Christ’s death, burial and resurrection, but Christ’s death, burial and resurrection would still have meaning, even if there were no baptism. In other words, Christ’s death, burial and resurrection is the substance and baptism is the sign/symbol/picture. Without the substance there would be no sign/symbol/picture"
Agreed but this is true of most things.
Example, faith, repentance, confession etc. have no meaning without the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Again, without the pledge the works of Jesus Christ has no affect on the believer.
Baptism for the remission of sins is no more symbolic than was the covering of the the door posts with blood for the Hebrews in Egypt.
"just like water baptism is not the actual cause of our salvation status."
Agreed.
Baptism for the remission of sins is not the cause but the moment in time of salvation.
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