We choose Jesus or Jesus choose us

[SovereignGrace]

Sin is heavy isn't It, It lead you to hell. So every sinner invited

Nope. Try again.

 

[SovereignGrace]

So you admitted Jesus invited not oN random. He call all that labour or tired and heavy Laden.

I believe all sinner are heavy Laden.

Nope. Try again.

 

[preacher4truth]

So you admitted Jesus invited not oN random. He call all that labour or tired and heavy Laden.

I believe all sinner are heavy Laden.

I've never made any such claim. You're being dishonest which isn't surprising.

I knew you'd avoid proper context. You won't be corrected by God's Word. Shameful of you on all accounts.

 

[Jackson123]

I've never made any such claim. You're being dishonest which isn't surprising.

I knew you'd avoid proper context. You won't be corrected by God's Word. Shameful of you on all accounts.

So who is Jesus hide His identity from?

 

[preacher4truth]

So who is Jesus hide His identity from?

Oh now you want to know? Read the text and context for once instead of reading your error and tradition into it. What does it say? The invitation isn't to all as you falsely assert. Read it and learn to listen instead of talk.

 

[Jackson123]

Oh now you want to know? Read the text and context for once instead of reading your error and tradition into it. What does it say? The invitation isn't to all as you falsely assert. Read it and learn to listen instead of talk.

you do not want to tell me? Why

 

[Jackson123]

Oh now you want to know? Read the text and context for once instead of reading your error and tradition into it. What does it say? The invitation isn't to all as you falsely assert. Read it and learn to listen instead of talk.

You ask me to,listen, than talk to me, to who Jesus hide

 

[Jackson123]

Nope. Try again.

You not agree don't you. Give me a reason please

 

[SovereignGrace]

You not agree don't you. Give me a reason please

We have given you many reasons, but then you post John 3:16 and free will and you're problem is solved. We have tried to help you, but your mind is already made up and won't budge.

 

[preacher4truth]

You ask me to,listen, than talk to me, to who Jesus hide

Again read the passage, what does it say:

Oh now you want to know? Read the text and context for once instead of reading your error and tradition into it. What does it say? The invitation isn't to all as you falsely assert. Read it and learn to listen instead of talk.

There is no need for you to shirk your responsibility and attempt to blame your ignorance of the text upon me. Read. The. Passage. It's right in there.

 

[Jackson123]

We have given you many reasons, but then you post John 3:16 and free will and you're problem is solved. We have tried to help you, but your mind is already made up and won't budge.

thank for helping me at least you have a good intent, but you right I stay with my believe, to the word of God, whosoever believe will be save, and in general God not refuse whoever come, and in general God not exercise favoritism.

 

[Jackson123]

Again read the passage, what does it say:



There is no need for you to shirk your responsibility and attempt to blame your ignorance of the text upon me. Read. The. Passage. It's right in there.

We read the the same passage and come to different conclusion, so please tell me your conclusion

 

[trofimus]

thank for helping me at least you have a good intent, but you right I stay with my believe, to the word of God, whosoever believe will be save, and in general God not refuse whoever come, and in general God not exercise favoritism.

Actually, there is no "whosever(sic) believe will be save (sic)", but:

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ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ’ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον

"so that everyone believing in Him will not die but have eternal life"

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Which is nothing for or against free will. Its simply irrelevant to free will issue.

It doest not say why the believing ones believe. Other places in the Bible do say why the believing ones believe.

 

[Jackson123]

Actually, there is no "whosever(sic) believe will be save (sic)", but:

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ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ’ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον

"so that everyone believing in Him will not die but have eternal life"

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Which is nothing for or against free will. Its simply irrelevant to free will issue.

It doest not say why the believing ones believe. Other places in the Bible do say why the believing ones believe.

i think every one and whosoever have the same meaning. Every body who believe, will save, so if you want to save, just believe.

And start with: For God so love the world, you put it together not just part of the sentence, than it is fair to interpreted as God invite every one to believe

and also God command to preach the gospel to all nation, indicate that God love all.

 

[Jackson123]

i think every one and whosoever have the same meaning. Every body who believe, will save, so if you want to save, just believe.

And start with: For God so love the world, you put it together not just part of the sentence, than it is fair to interpreted as God invite every one to believe

and also God command to preach the gospel to all nation, indicate that God love all.

let me put additional reason why I believe that basically God love human.

God create human. If He hate human, why He create. If I create or make shirt, because I love to wear shirt. I do not make a shirt if I hate shirt.

 

[trofimus]

i think every one and whosoever have the same meaning. Every body who believe, will save, so if you want to save, just believe.

I am sorry but I think you are not very good in logic, do not take it personally.

When I say "everybody walking in rain will get wet" or even "whoever will walk in a rain will get wet" I am not saying why are they walking in the rain and others not. If its from their will or not.

And start with: For God so love the world, you put it together not just part of the sentence, than it is fair to interpreted as God invite every one to believe

and also God command to preach the gospel to all nation, indicate that God love all.

Invitation goes to everyone who hears so that nobody has an excuse. But the acceptance of invitation is given to His chosen ones.

"Many are called but few [from them] are chosen". (Mt 22:14)

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them" J 6:44

and

"All those the Father gives me will come to me" J 6:37

 

[preacher4truth]

We read the the same passage and come to different conclusion, so please tell me your conclusion

Tell you again? How many times do I have to keep repeating bro?

Face it, you just can't accept the fact that God is Sovereign and being thus reserves the right to save whom He wills, and keep the truth hidden from others. You will not accept this God of Scripture, so you've invented one you like better.

Do you and your God ever disagree, does he believe everything you believe?

 

[Jackson123]

I am sorry but I think you are not very good in logic, do not take it personally.

When I say "everybody walking in rain will get wet" or even "whoever will walk in a rain will get wet" I am not saying why are they walking in the rain and others not. If its from their will or not.





Invitation goes to everyone who hears so that nobody has an excuse. But the acceptance of invitation is given to His chosen ones.

"Many are called but few [from them] are chosen". (Mt 22:14)

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them" J 6:44

and

"All those the Father gives me will come to me" J 6:37

back to my believe that God love human as His creation, why you believe God invite every one but Only give ability to few?

many are call but few are chosen because few wear a wedding dress.

Why hey do you think loving Father chose few to give to Jesus, He must have a good reason, not on random

 

[Jackson123]

Tell you again? How many times do I have to keep repeating bro?

Face it, you just can't accept the fact that God is Sovereign and being thus reserves the right to save whom He wills, and keep the truth hidden from others. You will not accept this God of Scripture, so you've invented one you like better.

Do you and your God ever disagree, does he believe everything you believe?

yep I accept the concept that God love the world, and Jesus Himself say that the great law is Love.

Matt 22

33 And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.
34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40.On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Let me repeat

bsaic if law is love on this love law hang all the law

so so I believe all His action must base on love all. He is not and will not play favor.

Let me repeat : because His statement that love is His basic law, so all my interpretation on His law will be base on God is love, no matter He do is drive by love.

 

[trofimus]

why you believe God invite every one but Only give ability to few?

Because Bible says so. And our daily experience, too.

many are call but few are chosen because few wear a wedding dress.

I was not wearing any wedding dress while receiving faith in Him. Of course its an image. An image of election.

Why hey do you think loving Father chose few to give to Jesus, He must have a good reason, not on random

Or course God has good reasons for His election and does not do it in random. He does what His wisdom leads Him to do. Its more a mathematical precision, a great symphony, indeed nothing blindly random.