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Jackson123

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so you accused bible Lie don't you

that verse Said

Genesis 6
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
 

SovereignGrace

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so you accused bible Lie don't you

that verse Said

Genesis 6



9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
The bible says the heart of every man was continually wicked. HOWEVER, Noah found grace(unmerited favor) in God's sight. This meant Noah was in the same boat before he found grace(unmerited favor) in God's sight. It was not because Noah was less wicked/better person why God chose him. If God chose him because he was a better person, it no longer becomes grace but merit.
 

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God must draw every body,
Oh ho ho!! So, God must draw everybody or He isn't fair, isn't God according to you.

If He must draw everybody w/o exception, it no longer becomes grace. For grace to be grace, it must be free.

You're the epitome of the accuser in Romans 9:20.
 

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we 'don't/can't truly 'BELIEVE', until He allows us to...
Shhh!! Unless you quote John 3:16 this post becomes null and void. It trumps every other verse in the Bible.
 

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we 'don't/can't truly 'BELIEVE', until He allows us to...
So you believe that Jesus refuse most people to believe Him? Jesus refuse most people come to Him?
Do you believe Jesus honest ?

This what Jesus say

Matt 11
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Jesus invite ​all
 

Jackson123

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The bible says the heart of every man was continually wicked. HOWEVER, Noah found grace(unmerited favor) in God's sight. This meant Noah was in the same boat before he found grace(unmerited favor) in God's sight. It was not because Noah was less wicked/better person why God chose him. If God chose him because he was a better person, it no longer becomes grace but merit.

Nope, read verse 9
 

Jackson123

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Oh ho ho!! So, God must draw everybody or He isn't fair, isn't God according to you.

If He must draw everybody w/o exception, it no longer becomes grace. For grace to be grace, it must be free.

You're the epitome of the accuser in Romans 9:20.
grace is a grace No matter how many recieve It. Say there are 100 member of one bible study group

Bill Gate give a million dollar to one of that group, It call a give or grace. If He give a million each to all member, still a give or grace
 

SovereignGrace

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So you believe that Jesus refuse most people to believe Him? Jesus refuse most people come to Him?
Do you believe Jesus honest ?

This what Jesus say

Matt 11
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Jesus invite ​all
The invitation is to ALL who labor and are heavy laden, not to any and all w/o exception. Someone needs to teach you how to exegete scripture.
 

SovereignGrace

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grace is a grace No matter how many recieve It. Say there are 100 member of one bible study group

Bill Gate give a million dollar to one of that group, It call a give or grace. If He give a million each to all member, still a give or grace
But we are talking about grace not $. We are talking about spiritually dead ppl who can't reach out and take anything.
 
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The invitation is to ALL who labor and are heavy laden, not to any and all w/o exception. Someone needs to teach you how to exegete scripture.
Yep gotta know whom Jesus is referring to as "All" sometimes All means All sometimes it means those who do right for God.
 

Jackson123

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I agree with verse 9. But Noah found grace and then walked with God. He didn't walk with God and then find grace. You're putting the effect before the cause again.
it doesn't say that in this story.

if so than the verse must

becaouse Noah found grace then he become just man and perfect in His eyes

you have to add a word because. I do not want to add anything to the word, It is forbiden
 

Jackson123

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Yep gotta know whom Jesus is referring to as "All" sometimes All means All sometimes it means those who do right for God.
the verse say all, who labor and heavy Laden. To me mean every sinner, because every sinner fall in to that category
 

Jackson123

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But we are talking about grace not $. We are talking about spiritually dead ppl who can't reach out and take anything.
We talking about the meaning of give, If you give to 100 people It call give,

if you give to one million people It also call a give
 

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So you believe that Jesus refuse most people to believe Him? Jesus refuse most people come to Him?
Do you believe Jesus honest ?

This what Jesus say

Matt 11
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Jesus invite ​all
Wow, a verse ripped out of context, how rare for a free-will works gospelizer. ;)

The context in Matthew 11:25-30 is talking of those Christ hides Himself from, and of whom He reveals Himself, which are not all people, but those according to the Fathers and His will, which excludes it from being ALL as you are twisting the text. You can caps lock, bold, enlarge all you want. What you are showing is you are twisting the word all, forcing your own reading and view upon Scripture, in the same manner as you type out a response here on CC.

Then, finally, Christ is seen inviting those described in the context to Himself and this includes no other.

You've never accepted proper contextual analysis against your errors prior so it is doubtful you'll allow the Word to correct you here in its proper context.
 

Jackson123

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The invitation is to ALL who labor and are heavy laden, not to any and all w/o exception. Someone needs to teach you how to exegete scripture.
Sin is heavy isn't It, It lead you to hell. So every sinner invited
 

Jackson123

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Wow, a verse ripped out of context, how rare for a free-will works gospelizer. ;)

The context in Matthew 11:25-30 is talking of those Christ hides Himself from, and of whom He reveals Himself, which are not all people, but those according to the Fathers and His will, which excludes it from being ALL as you are twisting the text. You can caps lock, bold, enlarge all you want. What you are showing is you are twisting the word all, forcing your own reading and view upon Scripture, in the same manner as you type out a response here on CC.

Then, finally, Christ is seen inviting those described in the context to Himself and this includes no other.

You've never accepted proper contextual analysis against your errors prior so it is doubtful you'll allow the Word to correct you here in its proper context.

So you admitted Jesus invited not oN random. He call all that labour or tired and heavy Laden.

I believe all sinner are heavy Laden.